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| Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial. In "Fare's Fair" [375976/32117/4] Posted by grahame at 21:30, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
Next, we will be able to learn moon rise, set and possibly latest phase here and the times of high tide at Dawlish. 

Tidal times are important in timetabling, though perhaps not for fares. From WikiPedia on the Staplehurst accident, 9 June 1865:
at 3:13 pm. The South Eastern Railway Folkestone to London boat train derailed while crossing a viaduct where a length of track had been removed during engineering works, killing ten passengers and injuring forty.
andThe track would be removed when no train was due. However, on 9 June the foreman, John or Henry Benge, had misread his timetable as to the schedule that day of the tidal boat train, which ran at a different time depending on the tide in the English Channel
| Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial. In "Fare's Fair" [375975/32117/4] Posted by bobm at 20:46, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
Next, we will be able to learn moon rise, set and possibly latest phase here and the times of high tide at Dawlish.

| Spain -Tourist train overturns and injures 17 during Cártama tapas festival In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [375974/32134/52] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:37, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
Tourist train overturns and injures 17 during Cártama tapas festival
Seventeen people have been injured after the wagon of a tourist train overturned in the Spanish town of Cártama.
The accident happened just after 21:30 local time (20:30 BST) on Saturday evening, according to local authorities. The cause is unknown.
Emergency teams attended to the injured at the scene and four were later evacuated to a nearby hospital, including three children. None of the victims suffered serious injuries, local authorities said.
The free train ride was part of an annual event called la Ruta de la Tapa y el Cóctel, where people are encouraged to visit different local businesses to try their food and drink offerings.
The road train was carrying carrying around 30 passengers at the time of the incident.
Photos shared on social media show several people aboard the wagon while emergency services attend to a child sat on the floor.
The event, happening from the 10 to 14 June, provides a map across the city highlighting several restaurants and bars. The train stops along the route to drop people off at the establishments.
Customers can get stamps from trying different food and drinks and later be entered into a raffle for prizes.
(BBC article continues, with images)
Seventeen people have been injured after the wagon of a tourist train overturned in the Spanish town of Cártama.
The accident happened just after 21:30 local time (20:30 BST) on Saturday evening, according to local authorities. The cause is unknown.
Emergency teams attended to the injured at the scene and four were later evacuated to a nearby hospital, including three children. None of the victims suffered serious injuries, local authorities said.
The free train ride was part of an annual event called la Ruta de la Tapa y el Cóctel, where people are encouraged to visit different local businesses to try their food and drink offerings.
The road train was carrying carrying around 30 passengers at the time of the incident.
Photos shared on social media show several people aboard the wagon while emergency services attend to a child sat on the floor.
The event, happening from the 10 to 14 June, provides a map across the city highlighting several restaurants and bars. The train stops along the route to drop people off at the establishments.
Customers can get stamps from trying different food and drinks and later be entered into a raffle for prizes.
(BBC article continues, with images)
| Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial. In "Fare's Fair" [375973/32117/4] Posted by Clan Line at 19:47, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
| Re: Great Western Railway: on-board catering, buffets, Travelling Chef, Pullman - ongoing discussion In "Across the West" [375972/5508/26] Posted by bobm at 19:26, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
The “catering updates” on Journeycheck is rarely used it seems. However I have seen over the last few weeks a number of times that Great Malvern services have been listed as having no catering at all.
| Re: Great Western Railway: on-board catering, buffets, Travelling Chef, Pullman - ongoing discussion In "Across the West" [375971/5508/26] Posted by 1st fan at 18:58, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
There’s no water, hot or cold on the 1658 Great Malvern to London Paddington therefore no hot drinks. There isn’t a full catering loaded either so no soft drinks only alcoholic.
| Re: Okehampton In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [375970/18334/24] Posted by RailCornwall at 18:15, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
Some good photos taken outside the perimeter fencing of Okehampton Interchange have been posted today on the Railways of Devon and Cornwall facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/384010423010289
| Electric Trains - Manchester to Sheffield, retired to the Netherlands In "Railway History and related topics" [375969/32133/55] Posted by grahame at 17:36, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
There used to be an electric railway between Manchester and Sheffield. Then railways were rationalised and modernised and the redundant electric locomotives were shipped off to the Netherlands where they were used for a further number of years.
On 14th June 1986 - that's 40 years ago - a final tour was run to bid them farewell. That tour is recorded at https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/80s/860614em.htm
| Sinkholes near Purley bridge halt Gatwick trains - 14 June 2026 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [375968/32132/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:27, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
Sinkholes near Purley bridge halt Gatwick trains
The discovery of sinkholes near a railway bridge in south London has caused the suspension of train services on Sunday to Gatwick Airport and Brighton.
Network Rail said engineers discovered a number of sinkholes on a bridge south of the station during planned engineering work on the lines outside Purley, and "urgent repairs" were needed.
The rail network operator said for the safety of passengers, all lines between Purley and East Croydon were closed while they wait for inspection from a structural engineer. The Gatwick Express from Victoria is suspended.
The line is expected to be out of use at least until Monday morning.
Network Rail is advising passengers not to travel if possible, but tickets were being accepted on a number of alternative routes for those who need to complete their journeys.
"We're sorry to passengers who have been impacted by this and we're working to safely open the railway as quickly as possible."
Southern Railway said there were no services between Purley and East Croydon and also urged customers not to travel.
In a message on their website, the train operator said there were limited alternative routes, which are expected to be extremely busy. Some journeys cannot be completed or could take up to 90 minutes longer.
The discovery of sinkholes near a railway bridge in south London has caused the suspension of train services on Sunday to Gatwick Airport and Brighton.
Network Rail said engineers discovered a number of sinkholes on a bridge south of the station during planned engineering work on the lines outside Purley, and "urgent repairs" were needed.
The rail network operator said for the safety of passengers, all lines between Purley and East Croydon were closed while they wait for inspection from a structural engineer. The Gatwick Express from Victoria is suspended.
The line is expected to be out of use at least until Monday morning.
Network Rail is advising passengers not to travel if possible, but tickets were being accepted on a number of alternative routes for those who need to complete their journeys.
"We're sorry to passengers who have been impacted by this and we're working to safely open the railway as quickly as possible."
Southern Railway said there were no services between Purley and East Croydon and also urged customers not to travel.
In a message on their website, the train operator said there were limited alternative routes, which are expected to be extremely busy. Some journeys cannot be completed or could take up to 90 minutes longer.
| Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial. In "Fare's Fair" [375967/32117/4] Posted by grahame at 17:13, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
Today, sunset is 15 mins later in Penzance that it is at Paddington - this could require good mathematical skills to work out which train to get 

Not really - the data is easily to hand and accessible to the general public - and so to the booking engines too
Try (for PNZ and FFD):
https://www.passenger.chat/sunset.html?where=FFD&day=70
https://www.passenger.chat/sunset.html?where=PNZ&day=70
Change to any 3 letter code. ... "day" is the number of days forward. Leave off the parameters and it defaults to today and (of course) to Melksham.
But my suggestion that this should be the standard was made tongue in cheek!
I can offer a few observations on this topic from my own town, Nailsea, and the next village, Backwell - separated really by the railway main line from Bristol to Exeter.
Nailsea and Backwell both have excellent comprehensive schools, which feature prominently in local estate agents particulars, for example. Nailsea School currently has around 1,150 students (including the sixth form) and Backwell School has around 1,600 (likewise). Nailsea School is apparently noted particularly for academic subjects and Backwell School is noted for sports. The schools are about two miles apart, and are both situated fairly centrally in the town and village respectively.
From my own experience of driving a delivery van along Station Road, I found it remarkable how many students walk between Nailsea and Backwell at school opening and closing times - where they are effectively funnelled through the bridge under the main line railway. Some are on bikes, scooters or skateboards, but most of them walk. It's a fairly flat geography, with pavements all the way, and a cycle lane on the only gradient at Bucklands Batch.
I have never counted them, but they must represent a fair percentage of those ministers' aim.
CfN.

Hopefully any such increase will be accompanied - or preceded - by tuition on how to ride bikes safely and considerately. I live a mile from a large school, which I avoid during school runs because of the general mayhem, of which manic cycling is only one factor. Nevertheless I still see wild antics some way away. My road has a narrow footpath and grass verge, and some time ago I had to take evasive action when a neighbour's two sons careered towards me on their bikes.
I've also seen small groups of schoolboys cycling at speed towards a steep path so narrow that most pedestrians wait at one end or the other for a fellow walker heading their way. Ironically for historic reasons it's designated a bridleway, so cycling along it is legal. Even more ironically, there are other paths that lead into the same main street that have "No cycling" signs at either end but could accommodate a car if the central hand rail was removed.
Guess what ...
16:43 Frome to Swindon due 17:34
16:43 Frome to Swindon due 17:34 will be reinstated.
It will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham and Swindon.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
It will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham and Swindon.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury due 18:55
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury due 18:55 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury due 18:55 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
| Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial. In "Fare's Fair" [375963/32117/4] Posted by Clan Line at 14:50, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
We have the railways to thank for the introduction of a "universal" common time across Britain - but we now seem to be going backwards again.
GWR is introducing an "evening" ticket which starts at 1800.............but SWR already have an "evening" ticket which starts at 1200. Perhaps the new fangled Great British Railways will be able to agree to a common nationwide time at which the "evening" is deemed to start !
GWR is introducing an "evening" ticket which starts at 1800.............but SWR already have an "evening" ticket which starts at 1200. Perhaps the new fangled Great British Railways will be able to agree to a common nationwide time at which the "evening" is deemed to start !
An online look tells us:
Evenings begins when the sun is low on the horizon, following dusk and twilight, and often concludes when it is time to go to bed
Logic, then, is for evening tickets to be available for journeys completed less than 120 minutes before sunset,
Today, sunset is 15 mins later in Penzance that it is at Paddington - this could require good mathematical skills to work out which train to get

| Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [375962/28556/25] Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:06, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
Newquay and Looe branches suffering today with first services cancellations.
Spare units sent from Exeter St Davids Prem Tran
(Premier something?)!
With all the spare 175's at Laira, surely a few of those could have been pressed into service.
Still a few 5 car IET's doing the Penzance - Paddington runs - disgraceful.
The treasury have a lot to answer to (but not accountable to the public it seems).
The chaos at Bath yesterday seems to have caught GW Control napping; and unable to cope?
Spare units sent from Exeter St Davids Prem Tran
(Premier something?)!
With all the spare 175's at Laira, surely a few of those could have been pressed into service.
Still a few 5 car IET's doing the Penzance - Paddington runs - disgraceful.
The treasury have a lot to answer to (but not accountable to the public it seems).
The chaos at Bath yesterday seems to have caught GW Control napping; and unable to cope?
.......and yet still "spare" IETs to launch new routes it would seem?
| Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [375961/28556/25] Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:39, 14th June 2026 Already liked by GBM | ![]() |
.....Spare units sent from Exeter St Davids Prem Tran
(Premier something?)!.....
(Premier something?)!.....
From t'internet:
In the 1980s/90s the siding adjacent to platform 6 at Exeter St Davids and the old goods shed was established as a small railfreight terminal ...
and
Exeter St Davids Premier Transport is an active railway location code and historical freight site located at the Exeter St Davids railway station complex. It functions as an operational timing point (TIPLOC: EXETDPT) used by rail network tracking systems to monitor empty coaching stock (ECS) movements, train stabling, and cancellations between the platforms and the Exeter Traction Maintenance Depot (TMD)
and
Premier Transport (a Bristol firm) had a depot at Exeter and handled the unloading of Guinness at St Davids.....
Obviously the actual siding disappeared when the new TMD was built. I remember it well - in it's later years it was commonly used to stable Tampers and suchlike.
I reckon the stated aspiration could only be achieved by the reintroduction of school/pupil catchment areas.
And I can think of a number of reasons why any government wouldn't be 'courageous' enough to do it.
| Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [375959/28556/25] Posted by GBM at 10:36, 14th June 2026 Already liked by TaplowGreen | ![]() |
Newquay and Looe branches suffering today with first services cancellations.
Spare units sent from Exeter St Davids Prem Tran
(Premier something?)!
With all the spare 175's at Laira, surely a few of those could have been pressed into service.
Still a few 5 car IET's doing the Penzance - Paddington runs - disgraceful.
The treasury have a lot to answer to (but not accountable to the public it seems).
The chaos at Bath yesterday seems to have caught GW Control napping; and unable to cope?
Hold it!
09:45 Swindon to Westbury due 10:26
10:52 Westbury to Swindon due 11:35
11:43 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:55
Facilities on the 11:43 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:55.
Toilet facilities are not available.
10:52 Westbury to Swindon due 11:35
11:43 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:55
Facilities on the 11:43 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:55.
Toilet facilities are not available.
Just to add to that. If running slowly though the signals isn't possible, why are trains not running as far as the previous station and then returning, on all lines? At present, nobody can get from Bath to Bristol by train, and I very much doubt whether anyone can by bus either as the services would already have been packed. And yet this line, as far as I know, isn't where the signalling problem is.
In the old days was hand signalling, but in 2019 ESW (emergency special working) was created to get stranded trains past defective signals. Not clear to me why this wasn't used to get people past the defective area.
Stranding thousands of people for 2-4 hours should not really have been seen as a serious option by Control once they realised they couldn't source alternative road transport due to multiple events at Bath, and congested roads in the area meaning local buses weren't an alternative either.
I don't know nearly enough about how train running is managed / what broke. One factor in this might be that in the fairly recent past, wasn't a mobile operations manager based at Bath Spa station, but either this post was removed elsewhere or abolished entirely?
Mark
.....where Exeter Chiefs secured another glorious victory over Bath.....
Fixed it for you!

Ouch, this has coincided with an open day at Bath University and an event at the racecourse.
Mark
Mark
Both dwarfed in significance by events at the Rec, where Exeter Chiefs secured a glorious victory over Bath, only for many of their fans to find that their journeys home were scuppered.
There's going to be some pretty chunky compensation claims going in...........on the upside it may help to pay for Twickenham next weekend!

| Nothing much has happened - 14th June - leaves our forum quieter In "News, Help and Assistance" [375953/32131/29] Posted by grahame at 07:55, 14th June 2026 Already liked by Chris from Nailsea | ![]() |
June 14 has been the site of major historical milestones, including the end of the Falklands War in 1982, the fall of Paris to Nazi Germany in 1940, and the adoption of the U.S. flag in 1777
June 14 is best known as World Blood Donor Day and, in the United States, as National Flag Day. It is also celebrated globally as International Bath Day, National Strawberry Shortcake Day, and World Juggling Day, while marking major historical milestones like the birthday of Che Guevara.
June 14 is best known as World Blood Donor Day and, in the United States, as National Flag Day. It is also celebrated globally as International Bath Day, National Strawberry Shortcake Day, and World Juggling Day, while marking major historical milestones like the birthday of Che Guevara.
None of the above is a rail landmark in the Thames Valley, Wessex, South West amd South Wales, let alone being a public transport issue of interest to us on the Coffee Shop. Events seem to cluster around certain times of year, perhaps to do with politic, financial year and weather patterns, and we are June. There are other dates in June where our "On this day" reports "No 'On This Day' events reported for xxth Jun". It's also - possible - that there's a personal bias here in that in past years I've been involved with other things at this time of year and taken my eye off the addition of items for some of these dates.
No news - in many ways - is good news. The Coffee Shop thrives on the "out of the ordinary" and "nothing much happening to distrupt trains or concern us" tends to lead to less messages being posted. Good information systems (as well as more modern social media) have a tendency to leave us rather quieter than we were in the past, and really we should celebrate those good information systems, and consistent routine reliable operation which are, after all very much the goal.
Yesterday - 13th June - we reported On this Day on the first train ride by a monarch. But a monarch is just a single person in their country, and they sit in a unique position. Public transport - trains and buses (and trams, ferries, lifts, escalators, aircraft, taxis etc) exist for mass transit. And there remains a logical social requirement to provide consistent mobility and information on mobility for all, and for those of us who wish to help inform others for better use thereof, to give thoughtful feedback, and to assist / partner with anyone and everyone who has parallel or near-parallel objectives.
Yesterday also brought - to me - a micro reminder of some of the issues and areas we can help with, and some elements where current provision isn't ideal. Plans and thoughts afoot reminded my of the little things where significant differences can / could / should be made over coming months and years. There's another thread to come on this. It also reminded me of my own increased frailty - and there's yet more of a topic there.
The 19th, 20th and 24th June are also showing up as "nothing much happened" days, as are 4th, 8th, and 13th July. We do have over 500 "on this day" events that come up every year from our database, but the spread is uneven. Please go ahead and post events for these days - or tell me and I will post them. The OTD system is set up as a "capital" rather than a "revenue" system - single actions to add something leaves it there for the life of the system without a need to re-invest or maintain each year, and as such I haven't taken the time and effort to make it easy for anyone except myself to actually add the links that "pin" posts to days - a little bit dictatorial maybe; happy, then to add appropriate new items for members, and to take items away should there be good reason such as moderator team consensus that I should do so.
| Re: GWR accused of disrupting Wales-England train links In "Across the West" [375952/32097/26] Posted by Hafren at 01:21, 14th June 2026 | ![]() |
The overnight Cardiff-Waterloo train (which went via Reading and Olympia, unlike the day ones via Salisbury) started back at Pembroke Dock – I suspect as much because the diagrams worked out that way than through intentional end-to-end planning. I think one of hte daytime Waterloos might have been from Milford. They ended in the early 2000s. The Waterloo one's closure meant a curve near Clapham Junction lost its service, so there was a pointless replacement bus for a while...
I think I saw in a historic timetable that the weekday Carmarthen-Paddington train, for a long time daily but very recently becoming more frequent, ran to/from Milford in the (very) early 90s.
| OTD - Queen Victoria was the first reigning British monarch to travel on a train In "Railway History and related topics" [375951/32130/55] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:06, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
The first journey by a reigning British monarch on a train was made by Queen Victoria on June 13, 1842. She traveled on the British Royal Train from Slough to London’s Paddington Station, completing the trip in 25 minutes.
Just to add to that. If running slowly though the signals isn't possible, why are trains not running as far as the previous station and then returning, on all lines? At present, nobody can get from Bath to Bristol by train, and I very much doubt whether anyone can by bus either as the services would already have been packed. And yet this line, as far as I know, isn't where the signalling problem is.
I have heard that Bath Spa station has been shut. We were caught up by this problem as we were on the 17.00 train from Freshford to Bath which eventually ended up returning to Freshford. Certainly amongst the group I was with, many ended up walking back to Bath (about 7 or 8 miles along the canal). We rang for a taxi.
I cannot believe that GWR cannot run trains slowly past the signals that are causing the problem. They couldn't have picked a worse day for this to happen.
Ouch, this has coincided with an open day at Bath University and an event at the racecourse.
Mark
Mark
Yeah ... From Wiltshire 999
Horrendous scenes at Bath Spa railway station — where hundreds of people are stranded due to delays and cancellations.




| Re: GWR First Class fares increases 5 July 2026 In "Fare's Fair" [375947/32128/4] Posted by plymothian at 20:16, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
They are available on any GWR service that normally has 1st class, as a walk up on-train upgrade bought from the guard or TE, where space is available (ie any seat unreserved for the duration of the journey undertaken) - same as Weekend First.














