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Re: On This Day - 6 October 1829 - Rainhill trials of steam engines, in Lancashire
In "Railway History and related topics" [380539/32587/55]
Posted by grahame at 18:15, 6th October 2026
 
The Rainhill trials of the first steam locomotives were held in Lancashire (now Merseyside), from 6 to 14 October 1829.

See Wikipedia for excellent coverage of that historic event.

Thanks for starting a thread on that important event - however, we need to take care of the description. Perhaps the first railway to run paid passenger trains between places using steam traction?

From the British Library - https://www.bl.uk/stories/blogs/posts/catch-me-who-can-trevithicks-steam-locomotive-demonstration-of-1808

In September 1808, the Cornish engineer Richard Trevithick exhibited and operated a steam engine called Catch Me Who Can on a circular track of about 100 feet in radius, on a site to the south of Euston Road within walking distance of the British Library. This was the first time in the world that a steam locomotive was used to haul paying passengers on a railway. (It was not the first time that passengers had been carried by steam at all, as five years earlier Trevithick had carried passengers on a steam-powered road vehicle, the London Steam Carriage, and in 1804 had used the world's first steam railway locomotive to haul employees of the Penydarren ironworks in Wales.)

And not a locomotive but in some ways a "steam engine' - the first use of steam power was to turn kebabs

* The Inventor: Taqi al-Din was a famous 16th-century Ottoman astronomer, engineer, and mathematician.
* The Device: In his 1551 book, he described a copper water boiler with a pipe that directed a jet of steam onto a rotating vane wheel.
* The Purpose: The wheel turned a spit to cook meat evenly without manual labor.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380538/32456/31]
Posted by broadgage at 18:02, 6th October 2026
 
The desirability of keep food for few days was noted on tonight's "five news at 5 five"

Wales: M4 junction closures and new Menai bridge in plans to tackle congestion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380537/32588/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:49, 6th October 2026
 
From the BBC:

M4 junction closures and new Menai bridge in plans to tackle congestion on Welsh roads


The Welsh government has announced plans to tackle congestion in north and south Wales - Image © Getty Images

Junctions on the M4 in Newport could close, and a new bridge built across the Menai Strait, as part of Welsh government plans for two notorious transport bottlenecks.

It will also begin an 18-month project looking at a range of "roads-based" options for the M4, that could include a new motorway or expanding the Brynglas Tunnels.

Ministers are considering whether to close or partially close three junctions, potentially by 2028. However, a review has warned that closing them could cause increased congestion and noise on alternative routes.

It is not clear at this stage how anything would be paid for - the new Menai crossing could cost up to £700m and take up to 10 years to be built.

It is the latest set of proposals to tackle congestion on the M4, after plans for a relief road were developed in the 2010s and axed by former Labour first minister Mark Drakeford in 2019.

The government said that Transport for Wales would provide support to "accelerate delivery" of train stations in Cardiff Parkway, Magor and Undy stations.

Proposed junction closures were criticised by the city's council leader, Dimitri Batrouni, while the Tories and Reform called for the Welsh government to get on with an M4 Relief Road.

In south Wales, the Welsh government is to hold an 18-month study that will look at a range of options for what it says are "road-based solutions" to congestion on the motorway.

Ministers have ruled out the black route previously proposed for the M4 Relief Road - a new motorway south of Newport along the Gwent Levels.  However, it is understood that the study could still include a new motorway south of Newport.

Other options include widening the Brynglas Tunnels - one of the most significant causes of congestion on the M4 in Wales.

The Welsh government also plans a five-year programme of changes to deliver "shorter-term benefits", including "a delivery plan to improve how the motorway is operated and managed".

In a statement, Deputy Transport Minister Mark Hooper said this could include potential junction closures in and around Newport to improve traffic flow.  "The review found that measures such as these offer some of the quickest opportunities to improve traffic flow and resilience on the M4," he said.

The government is considering closing junction 27 - at High Cross, and east-facing slip roads at junction 26 - Malpas, and junction 25 - Caerleon.  However, firm decisions have not been made and ministers want to consider the impact on local roads, and speak to Newport council, before it goes ahead.

The announcement follows a review by transport consultants at ARUP on some of the options that could be implemented along the M4 corridor, which warned that public acceptance of the junction closures was "likely to be low" among their users.  It said: "There is a risk that economic costs would be redistributed rather than reduced, with poorer access for local businesses and increased congestion, noise and delay on alternative routes."

The review put the cost at £14m would reduce traffic by an estimated 3%.  "The capital cost would [be] relatively affordable, but the option would likely provide limited long-term value," the review said.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [380536/17562/23]
Posted by grahame at 17:35, 6th October 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
link to bookings please?


According to my friend Mr Google:

https://taithcymru.tfw.wales/

Re: Rail trespassers warned to 'stay off the tracks' by Network Rail and Police
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380535/30982/51]
Posted by JohnM at 17:26, 6th October 2026
 
What are the drones going to do?  Drop skyhooks and lift the trespassers off the railway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt3Uj6H8JI ?

Re: Rail trespassers warned to 'stay off the tracks' by Network Rail and Police
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380534/30982/51]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 17:16, 6th October 2026
 
From the BBC:

Trespass incidents cause almost 10,000 minutes of delays



Trespass incidents caused almost 10,000 minutes of delays to South Western Railway (SWR) services for the 2025/26 period.

Data released by Network Rail and British Transport Police (BTP) shows that 9,437 minutes worth of delays were caused, equivalent to about six and a half days.

Across England, trespass, cable theft and obstruction caused more than 3,300 hours of delays during the same period, making it one of the railway's biggest causes of disruption, with a significant impact on customers.

The SWR network had the third-highest rate of vandalism and obstruction across Network Rail's 14 routes, including deliberately placed items such as debris and other pieces of track on the railway.

The rail firm said an additional risk on its network was the fact it uses a third rail as electricity supply.  It carries 750 volts of direct current, which can cause severe or lifechanging injuries, or death.

As part of a new campaign launched by SWR and Network Rail, drones, sensors and smart CCTV are being rolled out to make it easier to catch and prevent trespassers.

The use of drones is a new strategy, which has been trialled at London Waterloo station.  Further drone units have been planned for Clapham Junction, New Malden and Walton-on-Thames.

Tom Desmond, operations director for SWR, said: "Trespass is one of the leading causes of disruption on our network, delaying our customers' journeys and costing taxpayers.  As part of our plan to deliver more reliable journeys, we're working with partners to reduce these types of incidents and improve our response so that we can keep services running."



What are the drones going to do?  Drop skyhooks and lift the trespassers off the railway?

Would a combination of more on-the-ground staff, education, and enforcement/legal action/punishment be more effective? 

Re: Fears grow that high diesel prices could lead to more cyclists
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [380533/32586/50]
Posted by Mark A at 17:15, 6th October 2026
 
*snip*  the high cost of provision and maintenance of infrastructure on cycles, and to the NHS for the repair of cyclists damaged on the road. *snip*

On the NHS front, the data shows that the burden from cycling is more than compensated for by the reduction in cardiovascular patients (etc) that the health service sees. A bit of a deep dive from the BMJ in 2024 is focussed on cycle commuting in particular.

https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m336

Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [380532/17562/23]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:24, 6th October 2026
 
link to bookings please?

Re: Fears grow that high diesel prices could lead to more cyclists
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [380531/32586/50]
Posted by grahame at 15:53, 6th October 2026
 
I didn't follow the first link, in case it was another of grahame 's attempts to drum up trade for an ailing tech giant. But the second link is to a four year old Guardian article which is based on something from the Daily Mail!

It's not

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Original was obfuscated to - I admit - hide the initial humorous nature of the source. BUT many a true work is spoken in jest and someone in government will be asking "can we tax it?"

On This Day - 6 October 1829 - Rainhill trials of steam engines, in Lancashire
In "Railway History and related topics" [380530/32587/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:52, 6th October 2026
 
The Rainhill trials of the first steam locomotives were held in Lancashire (now Merseyside), from 6 to 14 October 1829.

See Wikipedia for excellent coverage of that historic event.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380529/32456/31]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:42, 6th October 2026
 
By a combination of time, official announcements on the radio, and measured radiation dose rate. In marginal conditions it might be better to sleep/rest in the shelter, but emerge for essential work.

Sounds idylic.  What could go wrong?

Indeed. I can almost hear the "New World" Symphony playing, old maids heading for church as the sun sets and lads riding past on bicycles.

Re: Fears grow that high diesel prices could lead to more cyclists
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [380528/32586/50]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 15:37, 6th October 2026
 
I didn't follow the first link, in case it was another of grahame 's attempts to drum up trade for an ailing tech giant. But the second link is to a four year old Guardian article which is based on something from the Daily Mail!

Re: Rail trespassers warned to 'stay off the tracks' by Network Rail and Police
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380527/30982/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:33, 6th October 2026
 
From the BBC:

Trespass incidents cause almost 10,000 minutes of delays


Trespassers are seen on the tracks at Motspur Park in south-west London in dashcam footage from a train driver's cab - Image © Network Rail

Trespass incidents caused almost 10,000 minutes of delays to South Western Railway (SWR) services for the 2025/26 period.

Data released by Network Rail and British Transport Police (BTP) shows that 9,437 minutes worth of delays were caused, equivalent to about six and a half days.

Across England, trespass, cable theft and obstruction caused more than 3,300 hours of delays during the same period, making it one of the railway's biggest causes of disruption, with a significant impact on customers.

The SWR network had the third-highest rate of vandalism and obstruction across Network Rail's 14 routes, including deliberately placed items such as debris and other pieces of track on the railway.

The rail firm said an additional risk on its network was the fact it uses a third rail as electricity supply.  It carries 750 volts of direct current, which can cause severe or lifechanging injuries, or death.

As part of a new campaign launched by SWR and Network Rail, drones, sensors and smart CCTV are being rolled out to make it easier to catch and prevent trespassers.

The use of drones is a new strategy, which has been trialled at London Waterloo station.  Further drone units have been planned for Clapham Junction, New Malden and Walton-on-Thames.

Tom Desmond, operations director for SWR, said: "Trespass is one of the leading causes of disruption on our network, delaying our customers' journeys and costing taxpayers.  As part of our plan to deliver more reliable journeys, we're working with partners to reduce these types of incidents and improve our response so that we can keep services running."


Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380526/32584/10]
Posted by bobm at 15:13, 6th October 2026
Already liked by IndustryInsider, Mark A, a-driver, Witham Bobby
 
The other thing with two 5 cars coupled is there become a range for formations.  Front five in reverse, rear five not etc. etc.   So far the casual traveller who sat in A last week and found it in the middle of the train, may find it is at the front this week.

Re: 9th October 2026 - TravelWatch SouthWest, Taunton
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [380525/32460/34]
Posted by grahame at 15:06, 6th October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
If anyone's attending who is equipped to sign me up as a member of the WWRUG I'd be grateful.

Mark

Message sent

Fears grow that high diesel prices could lead to more cyclists
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [380524/32586/50]
Posted by grahame at 14:51, 6th October 2026
 
From (here)

People in the UK are terrified today after considering the possibility that high diesel prices could lead to an increase in cyclists.

With diesel prices in the UK rising above £2 a litre for the first time, many in the UK have started to consider the horrifying thought of more people picking up a bike. ...

Worryingly, a significant move from car, bus and train travel by large numbers of the public would be a significant problem for the government and the economy, as there's nothing apart from the basic VAT on the purchase of cycles that generates income for the government in spite of the high cost of provision and maintenance of infrastructure on cycles, and to the NHS for the repair of cyclists damaged on the road.

from The Guardian

Cyclists could be made to have registration plates and insurance

Whitehall review is also said to suggest cycling speed limits, along with licence penalty points and fines

Registration is already required in Japan and North Korea.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380523/32456/31]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:43, 6th October 2026
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
By a combination of time, official announcements on the radio, and measured radiation dose rate. In marginal conditions it might be better to sleep/rest in the shelter, but emerge for essential work.

Sounds idylic.  What could go wrong?

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380522/32584/10]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:38, 6th October 2026
 
Encouragingly, Network Rail has a planning application in earlier this year to lengthen Bath Spa station's platform 1.

*Edit* It received consent in August.

https://www.bathecho.co.uk/news/planning/network-rail-extend-platform-bath-station-117137/

I did hear there were plans in the pipeline, though an extension of 6.5 metres still won't enable all doors to open of course. 

All it will do is give a bit more tolerance where the driver has to be extremely precise at the moment.  And for 10-car units instead of the 1,2,3 and 20th door not opening, it will become doors 1,18,19 and 20 - in other words, it will be the rear vehicle which may contain wheelchair spaces that won't be platformed, rather than the front.

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380521/32584/10]
Posted by a-driver at 14:26, 6th October 2026
 
This is often a risk when a train is in reverse formation.

A train I was on yesterday was bound for Weston-super-Mare but had the first class coaches leading.

There were two parties heading for Yatton in standard class and their seat reservations were in coach B - which would normally be platformed at Yatton (and indeed Nailsea & Backwell) but with the train in reverse they would be off the back.

The train manager spotted it when he checked their tickets and suggested they got out at Temple Meads and walked down the platform to coach G.

I did wonder if it all stemmed from the set being in reverse. If you paid for First Class seats, you’d understandably want to sit in those First Class seats. Being in a wheelchair should not be a barrier to that. In an ideal world, a 10-car train should be fully accommodated at all platforms and no one, staff or passenger, should be put in these sort of situations.

Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [380520/17562/23]
Posted by anthony215 at 14:20, 6th October 2026
 
Update to this.

Transport for wales , new Taith Cymru coaches service between Carmarthen and Bangor operates by Edwards and lew Jones coaches starts sunday 25th October.

Tickets can now been purchased online which has also allowed us to see the timetable.

From Carmarthen at 0215, 0715 then every 2 hours until last departure at 2115.

From Bangor at 0127, 0515 then a bit of a more.erractic timetable close enough to 2 hourly u til last coach around 1915. Journey time  is 5 hours  although slightly less with some southbound workings.

Free passes are not valid and I found they offering  fares for.adults starting at £10 each way from Carmarthen to Bangor. The coaches actually look very nice inside so well worth a day out. I believe rail tickets say Cardiff to Aberystwyth are going to be valid on it

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380519/32584/10]
Posted by bobm at 13:49, 6th October 2026
 
This is often a risk when a train is in reverse formation.

A train I was on yesterday was bound for Weston-super-Mare but had the first class coaches leading.

There were two parties heading for Yatton in standard class and their seat reservations were in coach B - which would normally be platformed at Yatton (and indeed Nailsea & Backwell) but with the train in reverse they would be off the back.

The train manager spotted it when he checked their tickets and suggested they got out at Temple Meads and walked down the platform to coach G.

Re: 9th October 2026 - TravelWatch SouthWest, Taunton
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [380518/32460/34]
Posted by Mark A at 13:03, 6th October 2026
 
If anyone's attending who is equipped to sign me up as a member of the WWRUG I'd be grateful.

Mark

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380517/32584/10]
Posted by a-driver at 12:49, 6th October 2026
 

At Bath Spa a 9-car unit stops with front and rear door isolated, which means that the doors by the wheelchair accommodation open at both ends.

So this must have been a 10-car train and she must have been in the front carriage as it's the front three doors and rear door that don't open on a 10-car unit.


And that, coupled with the claim in the article that "Her family spoke to the assistance desk and was taken to the only designated wheelchair space on the train" makes me interested in hearing the other side of the story

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380516/32584/10]
Posted by Mark A at 12:32, 6th October 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Encouragingly, Network Rail has a planning application in earlier this year to lengthen Bath Spa station's platform 1.

*Edit* It received consent in August.

https://www.bathecho.co.uk/news/planning/network-rail-extend-platform-bath-station-117137/

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380515/32584/10]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:23, 6th October 2026
 
What's the process for organising the train to set back?

It would have needed to be drawn forward a coach length, but it would never be authorised because it would mean manually releasing the doors which is what they don't like. 

It's really unusual for it not to be picked up during the journey.  It's not unheard of to delay a train at a station whilst a passenger is moved do a different part of the train.

Yes, incidents like this are very rare thankfully.

At Bath Spa a 9-car unit stops with front and rear door isolated, which means that the doors by the wheelchair accommodation open at both ends.

So this must have been a 10-car train and she must have been in the front carriage as it's the front three doors and rear door that don't open on a 10-car unit.

As a-driver says, opening doors manually not at the designated stopping point on a platform is frowned upon as it imports extra risks and quite considerable delay, especially if that means setting back as the driver needs to change ends twice.  Permission needs to be sought from the signaller, and everyone - Driver, TM, Despatcher's - need to come to a clear understanding of the plan.

Had it been known in advance the train could have been routed into the other platform (the 'Up' one) as that is long enough to accommodate a 10-car train, but that obviously might cause quite a few delays in itself to services coming the other way.

It would be expensive to lengthen the 'Down' platform because of the way the station is built, but it's far from ideal having such a popular station having to use SDO on one of its platforms.

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380514/32584/10]
Posted by a-driver at 11:57, 6th October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
What's the process for organising the train to set back?

It would have needed to be drawn forward a coach length, but it would never be authorised because it would mean manually releasing the doors which is what they don't like. 

It's really unusual for it not to be picked up during the journey.  It's not unheard of to delay a train at a station whilst a passenger is moved do a different part of the train.

Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles
In "The Lighter Side" [380513/11558/30]
Posted by johnneyw at 11:44, 6th October 2026
 
Surely it's St Mawes in Cornwall?

Plymouth, just west of the Hoe.

Definitely, with Mount Edgcumbe House and Country Park in the background on the Cornish side of the water. The landlocked residents of Wellington and Cullompton may have been left wondering if they had a stretch of coast that mysteriously only appeared, Brigadoon like, every hundred years.

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380512/32584/10]
Posted by Mark A at 11:43, 6th October 2026
 
What's the process for organising the train to set back?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Westbury" [380511/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 11:16, 6th October 2026
 
09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:28
09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:28 has been cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:47
11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:47 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

Journeycheck explains further

Delays to services between Westbury and Swindon via Melksham
Due to a fault with the signalling system at Westbury disruption is expected until 12:15 06/10.
Train services between Westbury and Swindon via Melksham may be delayed.
Customer Advice
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What has happened??
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There is a fault with the signalling in the Westbury area. The signalling system is how trains are kept a safe distance apart. When there is a fault with the signalling system trains may need to stop at the affected signals so that the Driver can speak to the Signaller to confirm if the track ahead is clear.

Err - is "delayed" the Newspeak for cancelled?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Westbury" [380510/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:34, 6th October 2026
 
09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:28
09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:28 has been cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:47
11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:47 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

 
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