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Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [380121/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:46, 27th September 2026
 
Just three cancellations on GWR Journey Check,  Guess where and why ...

16:48 Bristol Temple Meads to Castle Cary due 18:02
18:10 Castle Cary to Swindon due 19:34
19:43 Swindon to Westbury due 20:25

19:43 Swindon to Westbury due 20:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

Re: Pilning Station - services, footbridge, issues and campaigns: ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [380120/18595/21]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:22, 27th September 2026
 
I think the authopr is a member here? Good man is Graham!

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380119/32546/13]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:59, 27th September 2026
 
I was coming here to say the same  that HEX finishes currently in 2028. It must be costing Heathrow a large sum of money now for these paths & with the third runway in the offing, looking at alternatives? Flying taxi development?

Re: Yatton proposed housing: aerial photo of the Yatton - Witham line
In "Railway History and related topics" [380118/32550/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:24, 27th September 2026
 
A good question, Mark, but in a word: No.

The historic coal mining activity in and around Nailsea was on the more level ground.  There was, for example, a mine within yards of Nailsea & Backwell Station, nowhere near the nearest 'batch', at Bucklands Batch.  Cambridge Batch, at Flax Bourton, is actually the hilly outcrop which Brunel had to tunnel under for his Bristol to Exeter railway line.

CfN. 


Re: Yatton proposed housing: aerial photo of the Yatton - Witham line
In "Railway History and related topics" [380117/32550/55]
Posted by Mark A at 16:09, 27th September 2026
 
By the way, are the 'Batch' names in Nailsea related to mining activity?

Re: Yatton proposed housing: aerial photo of the Yatton - Witham line
In "Railway History and related topics" [380116/32550/55]
Posted by Mark A at 15:53, 27th September 2026
 
No problemo, perhaps it can have either meaning: that's a very, er, actively drained piece of land, and subtly slightly lower than its surroundings.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.0&lat=51.38715&lon=-2.82812&layers=178&b=GoogleSat&o=100

Re: Yatton proposed housing: aerial photo of the Yatton - Witham line
In "Railway History and related topics" [380115/32550/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:40, 27th September 2026
 
I have to disagree with you here, Mark.

In the local Somerset dialect, 'batch' means a hill, hillock or mound of earth.  See a Google search, at 'meaning of batch in somerset' .

We have many of them, in and around Nailsea: Bucklands Batch, Cambridge Batch, Stony Batch, etc.

Chris from Nailsea. 

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380114/32456/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:15, 27th September 2026
 
Here's another example, for taking the precaution of keeping at least a reasonable stock of bottled water.  From the BBC:

Thousands of Sussex homes without water and roads closed after burst pipe


Areas of Crawley are flooded and about 9,000 homes have water supply issues - Image © Eddie Mitchell

Thousands of homes in parts of West Sussex have water supply issues and a number of roads have flooded after what police are describing as a "significant" leak.

Roads around the Southgate Roundabout in Crawley have been closed on Sunday morning due to the burst water pipe, Sussex Police said.

Southern Water said around 9,000 customers were impacted and it was setting up bottled water stations.  A company spokesperson said: "Our teams are on site and working as quickly and safely as possible to repair the burst and restore supplies."

The company said customers were experiencing a loss of water supply or low pressure in the following areas - Woolborough Road, Holmcroft, Southgate, Tilgate and Furnace Green.  It reported at 12:00 BST that supplies had returned to some homes.

The Southern Water spokesperson added: "Restoring water to customers as quickly as possible remains our highest priority."

John Boulton, who is 82, and his partner are without water.  He said: "It's pretty disgusting, really - we pay so much for the water supply."

Boulton said he had just paid £22 for bottled water in a shop.

(BBC article continues)


Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380113/32456/31]
Posted by Mark A at 14:14, 27th September 2026
 
A resident, after three suspicious vehicles were seen in the village in the early hours of Sunday morning:

“Evidently, they phoned the airbase police, who didn’t answer the phone,” he said of the person who reported the sighting. “It just rang out so she dialled 999.”

Yatton proposed housing: aerial photo of the Yatton - Witham line
In "Railway History and related topics" [380112/32550/55]
Posted by Mark A at 13:33, 27th September 2026
 
The old railway line conspicuous in the middle distance. The land proposed for housing there is named on old maps as 'The Batch', meaning "a brook, stream, or a valley through which a stream flows", so that's ok then**.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/sep/27/high-court-floodplains-development-safety-test-north-somerset-yatton

** Not ok.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380111/32456/31]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:42, 27th September 2026
 
Reports are coming in of a "major incident" at RAF Fairford.
Suspects have been detained, and several charged with offences under the explosives act.
A number of residents have been evacuated.

There seems no likelihood of direct consequences for food or fuel supplies, but it another example of the threats that we face, that could have wider consequences.

suggested viewing "The fourth protocol"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Protocol_(film)

Are you writing that from the bunker? Has the family sized jar of pickled eggs been deployed?

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380110/32546/13]
Posted by John D at 12:41, 27th September 2026
 
As I understand it, the current track layout means that HEx paths can't just be used for more Lizzie trains instead, other than for (little needed) non-stop trains to Paddington only. HEx runs on the fast lines into Paddington main line station so taking them away wouldn't help access to the slow lines or the Lizzie core; trying to use the paths for a different purpose might well just add more conflicting moves and make things worse. It might I suppose give a bit more resilience for fast GWR trains. No doubt Heathrow's owners would have cried foul if a different layout had been proposed with an unspoken aim of eventually reducing/removing HEx.

They could instead be used by other trains running fast, then switching to the slow / relief lines further out.    South Western has done this for decades with trains running fast to between Berrylands and Surbiton (beyond where the branches to Kingston and via Motspur Park branch off), then switching to slow tracks.  A similar thing happens at Woking with trains to Basingstoke and Alton etc.

The GWR layout of paired by use makes it harder, but there is no reason why high speed crossovers and a flyover (in the Iver / Langley area) wouldn't allow similar too.   There is the speed restricted Dolphin Junction (which doesn't seem to work on a warm summer day) which Network Rail are currently spending £27m upgrading.


Heathrow Express had its track access agreement extended in June 2024, with access granted to continue until June 2028.  Previously there were number of end dates eg 2018, 2021 etc based on estimated Crossrail opening dates.   
As far as I'm aware no further extension has yet been authorised.  Unless it is extended again HEx ends in 21 months time.   


Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380109/32456/31]
Posted by broadgage at 12:18, 27th September 2026
 
Reports are coming in of a "major incident" at RAF Fairford.
Suspects have been detained, and several charged with offences under the explosives act.
A number of residents have been evacuated.

There seems no likelihood of direct consequences for food or fuel supplies, but it another example of the threats that we face, that could have wider consequences.

suggested viewing "The fourth protocol"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Protocol_(film)

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [380108/19566/47]
Posted by grahame at 11:50, 27th September 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
It's not just train operators who have problems brought by infrastructure issues:

Is something wrong in the Pool of London this morning - Waverley hasn't left yet?

Cruise cancelled as Tower Bridge cannot give a time scale for the repair.
We are all getting off again

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [380107/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 11:42, 27th September 2026
 
10:52 Westbury to Swindon due 11:35

10:52 Westbury to Swindon due 11:35 is being delayed between Trowbridge and Melksham.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.



Ah yes - West Country expresses diverted via the single line, which then causes a jam if one of them later that timetabled.  A few minutes delay is not a problem (and neither are 2 and 3 carriage substations) provided that connections into sparse onward other services (trains or buses) are not missed.

Re: Pilning Station - services, footbridge, issues and campaigns: ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [380106/18595/21]
Posted by grahame at 11:19, 27th September 2026
 
I have written up my promised article at https://grahamellis.uk/blog1866.html
Section headers:

* Old History
* Recent History
* The Station today
* Local use of the station
* National what the future many bring
* So what the future may bring for Pilning
* Opinion

The opinion piece is a personal one - and some may disagree with me ...

I have received in the post the October issue of RailWatch - the magazine of RailFuture - which includes a whole page article on Pilning.  I have blurred the text here so that I'm bringing up the station again and helping keep it on the radar, but yet not crossing any Railfuture copyright lines.



Network Rail and (First) Great Western had a problem when electrifying the line.  But some of the things done (and not done) by them to this day remain, in my opinion, very poor practise, leaving a bad taste and getting away with things they should not.  At the same time, the local communities around the area were seeking outcomes which were unsustainable, and options which would have included a forward looking stations - bringing a much improved service and helping raise (for example) house values for current residents - were opposed in anticipation of potential negative side effects,  even where those could have been mitigated.

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380105/32546/13]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:15, 27th September 2026
 
Is there something I've missed?

I've always thought that the arrival of the Elizabeth Line should have heralded the end of Heathrow Express.  Passenger numbers have dropped by a third from the figures for the last year before Covid, to an average of less than 100 passengers per train - approximately 85 if my maths is correct.  All on an 8-car 387 trains which are far less 'premium' than the previous Class 332s they replaced, taking up four departure and arrival paths an hour at Paddington.  

Not a good use of track capacity by any metric.

When the Old Oak Common station opens it will need to stop there, thus further diluting the speed advantage it has over the Elizabeth Line.  In my opinion the paths it could free up would be better allocated to longer distance services operated by either GBR or an open access operator, rather than more Elizabeth Line services.  My opinion on that could be swayed if a way of routing some of the  Elizabeth Line services from the east that currently terminate at Paddington onto the main lines to still give a comparable journey time could be found without crossing them over on the flat, but a grade separated junction would be very expensive.  When Old Oak Common opens the 90mph top speed of the 345s would be less of an issue on the main lines out to Airport Junction as their better acceleration would mean little difference in the sectional running times with that intermediate stop included.

However, in effect, the way the service is structured means it can continue to operate for as long as its owners want it to.

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380104/32546/13]
Posted by Mark A at 11:13, 27th September 2026
 
A simple division of number of trains run in revenue service versus passenger numbers suggests ~80 passengers per 460 seat capacity HEX train - in context, HEX is a 15 minute frequency service from ~04.30am to a bit before midnight.

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380103/32546/13]
Posted by Mark A at 11:00, 27th September 2026

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380102/32546/13]
Posted by Noggin at 10:47, 27th September 2026
 
I've never understood the apparent antipathy from some which seems to exist towards the Heathrow Express.

Seems to me it's a premium product largely for a specific demographic who are prepared to pay a bit more for speed, comfort and convenience - I have only used it once but was quite impressed.

There's the Piccadilly Line if you're feeling brave/not in a rush, buses and now the Elizabeth Line too - I don't see how the existence of another option impacts them?

Is there something I've missed?

Absolutely - a dedicated airport express rail service is a big selling point for premium and business travellers, for whom time, comfort and security are major concerns.

It may sound, and indeed be trivial, but rather like being able to reclaim VAT on your shopping, it is genuinely the sort of thing that pushes the wealthy (and thus high-spending) to say "sod that, I'll go to Stockholm/Paris/Amsterdam/Rome instead".

Paris did it the other way around, since 1981, CDG has been served by the RER. The result? Well heeled travellers tend not to bother with it and take taxis instead, so they are now building an express service into Gare de l'Est.

London is already suffering massively from perceptions of high crime, not being in the Schengen area, high cost of accommodation and restaurants - why hobble it further?

Re: Manvers Street, Bath, disrupted for reconstruction works for 6 months from May.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380101/31887/5]
Posted by Mark A at 10:02, 27th September 2026
 
The symptoms, a year before the work began, were a bit peculiar - you'd see sections of road, in the wet, where, when heavy vehicles crossed them, a section of road surface would 'Rock' and produce a fountain of muddy liquid at the edges that could be a foot high. Another - the collapsed vault in St James's Parade that's been dealt with by making the road one way while they sort out the permissions - the slab of reinforcing beneath the road surface there was rocking and happily emitting a deep 'Boom' when a bus rolled over it. Ditto for a section of road in Lewins Mead, Bristol - really noisy but luckily no residential properties nearby.

An aspect of the Manvers Street work is that the pavements alongside, on the east especially, are poor to very poor and I don't think there are plans to address this. In particular the vehicle access to what was the police station, for people on foot, has a ludicrous transverse gradient - to the extent that it must at best feel perilous for anyone who uses a wheelchair. The works to the road have rather broken these up so let's see what's done.

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380100/32546/13]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:59, 27th September 2026
 
I've never understood the apparent antipathy from some which seems to exist towards the Heathrow Express.

Seems to me it's a premium product largely for a specific demographic who are prepared to pay a bit more for speed, comfort and convenience - I have only used it once but was quite impressed.

There's the Piccadilly Line if you're feeling brave/not in a rush, buses and now the Elizabeth Line too - I don't see how the existence of another option impacts them?

Is there something I've missed?

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380099/32546/13]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 09:44, 27th September 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
As I understand it, the current track layout means that HEx paths can't just be used for more Lizzie trains instead, other than for (little needed) non-stop trains to Paddington only. HEx runs on the fast lines into Paddington main line station so taking them away wouldn't help access to the slow lines or the Lizzie core; trying to use the paths for a different purpose might well just add more conflicting moves and make things worse. It might I suppose give a bit more resilience for fast GWR trains. No doubt Heathrow's owners would have cried foul if a different layout had been proposed with an unspoken aim of eventually reducing/removing HEx.

Re: Manvers Street, Bath, disrupted for reconstruction works for 6 months from May.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380098/31887/5]
Posted by grahame at 09:13, 27th September 2026
 
An update from Bath - Manvers Street, 26 Sept 2026










Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380097/32546/13]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:37, 27th September 2026
 
For our Singapore trip next month we each paid £6.65 each way for railcard discounted, admittedly purchased in May, HEx journeys. The full price would have been £10.00 each way. The equivalent Elizabeth Line fare is £14.60 according to the TfL website. The apparent claim that a HEx journey always costs £26 seems to support the Grauniad's reputation for accuracy.

Extra paths for Elizabeth Line (EL) services? EL trains run on the Relief Lines. The 345's have a 90mph maximum speed. The HEx 387's can run at up to 110mph and stick to the Fast Lines. The stuff of timetabling nightmares?

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380096/32546/13]
Posted by Mark A at 08:03, 27th September 2026
 
An issue is going to be the number of train paths that it consumes and I'm not familiar with that... is it taking resources that could be used in a far better way perhaps?

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380095/32546/13]
Posted by Mark A at 08:00, 27th September 2026
 
Those quotes... Seven is just plain rude in the usual way. Ten I feel sorry for as they're frequent travellers but need a friend to help them evolve their packing routine. I bet on going through their luggage, you'd find a kitchen sink, induction cooker and goodness knows what else.

Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380094/32544/5]
Posted by GBM at 07:34, 27th September 2026
 

I went into Bath yesterday - slowed down by many of these issues.   Joined bus at 11:51, got off at Grand Parade in Bath at 12:52.   So that took 61 minutes.  Busy - both on the bus and on the roads.  The time scheduled is 11:48 to 12:35 - 47 minutes - and of an evening an inbound bus can have a timetable as brisk as 40 minutes, with fewer inbound passengers and fewer other vehicles on the road, and that timetable can be met.
I've previously mention the reduced timings happens for evenings, weekends and bank holidays.
Unfortunately no increase in times for weekends or bank holiday; I found more passengers at those times, added to reduced schedule times (and reduced frequency), and drivers struggled (also failed) to keep to time.

Re: A Day Out Chasing Clan Line - aka A Day of Missed Connections and Opportunities
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [380093/32549/47]
Posted by grahame at 07:18, 27th September 2026
Already liked by PhilWakely
 
Oh dear ... and thank for documenting the connection failures of normal service trains - so valuable to have them written up and becoming part of the weight of data that keeps reminding us here (and providing us to keep reminding operation and operation planning teams) that whilst a few minutes delay might not sound like very much, or indeed be very much if taking you to your endpoint, it's very important indeed if it results in a missed onward thin service.

Having identified an issue, we should be asking
* is it really an issue and if so
* what should be done to help reduce it?

Looking at the connection that failed for you close to my home
* Insufficient line capacity Swindon -> Thingley
* Insufficient frequency Westbury westwards
I was about to add "poor dispatch at Westbury" if one was truly pulling out as the other pulled in - however, I suspect you were hoping to connect with less than the 5 minutes needed for an official connection if I'm reading the timetables right.    I was also templed to add something about the insufficient frequency of the Swindon to Westbury service - however, whilst that's still pretty poor (far better than in was 15 years ago) it doesn't look like that was a contributory factor.   You MIGHT add that the Bristol express was the root cause of the failure and that needs to be like at too.  The Bristol train left Paddington on time but lost a lot of minutes before Reading - and there's a familiar story!


Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380092/32544/5]
Posted by grahame at 06:47, 27th September 2026
 
Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated by the lack of insight shown by so many transport articles like this that appear in what is meant to be "the quality press"?

Yes, but we are informed specialists, Mark, and as time passes and we continue to observe we become further informed and educated on these matters whereas the press and news feeds much address the whole of their audience which includes those who are younger and do't have as much life experience, or who's expertise is in other fields and they take just a skim-interest in travel.

Back on topic.
* Buses getting busier - more passengers boarding and leaving the bus
* Passengers staying seated until the bus stops / driver waiting for passengers to be seated before restarting
* A higher proportion of passengers with mobility / other issues that slow their boarding / leaving the bus
* Road congestion
* Routes being obfuscated by the addition of loops / routes through new housing and past new businesses
* New 20 mph speed limits
* Single door double deckers that increase passenger transit time from seat to and from door
* Consolidation of local "town" and interurban routes into a single one-journey-for-all vehicle
* Eased timetables with more generous catch up allowances to help better timekeeping

I went into Bath yesterday - slowed down by many of these issues.   Joined bus at 11:51, got off at Grand Parade in Bath at 12:52.   So that took 61 minutes.  Busy - both on the bus and on the roads.  The time scheduled is 11:48 to 12:35 - 47 minutes - and of an evening an inbound bus can have a timetable as brisk as 40 minutes, with fewer inbound passengers and fewer other vehicles on the road, and that timetable can be met.

 
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