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Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380095/32546/13]
Posted by Mark A at 08:00, 27th September 2026
 
Those quotes... Seven is just plain rude in the usual way. Ten I feel sorry for as they're frequent travellers but need a friend to help them evolve their packing routine. I bet on going through their luggage, you'd find a kitchen sink, induction cooker and goodness knows what else.

Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380094/32544/5]
Posted by GBM at 07:34, 27th September 2026
 

I went into Bath yesterday - slowed down by many of these issues.   Joined bus at 11:51, got off at Grand Parade in Bath at 12:52.   So that took 61 minutes.  Busy - both on the bus and on the roads.  The time scheduled is 11:48 to 12:35 - 47 minutes - and of an evening an inbound bus can have a timetable as brisk as 40 minutes, with fewer inbound passengers and fewer other vehicles on the road, and that timetable can be met.
I've previously mention the reduced timings happens for evenings, weekends and bank holidays.
Unfortunately no increase in times for weekends or bank holiday; I found more passengers at those times, added to reduced schedule times (and reduced frequency), and drivers struggled (also failed) to keep to time.

Re: A Day Out Chasing Clan Line - aka A Day of Missed Connections and Opportunities
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [380093/32549/47]
Posted by grahame at 07:18, 27th September 2026
 
Oh dear ... and thank for documenting the connection failures of normal service trains - so valuable to have them written up and becoming part of the weight of data that keeps reminding us here (and providing us to keep reminding operation and operation planning teams) that whilst a few minutes delay might not sound like very much, or indeed be very much if taking you to your endpoint, it's very important indeed if it results in a missed onward thin service.

Having identified an issue, we should be asking
* is it really an issue and if so
* what should be done to help reduce it?

Looking at the connection that failed for you close to my home
* Insufficient line capacity Swindon -> Thingley
* Insufficient frequency Westbury westwards
I was about to add "poor dispatch at Westbury" if one was truly pulling out as the other pulled in - however, I suspect you were hoping to connect with less than the 5 minutes needed for an official connection if I'm reading the timetables right.    I was also templed to add something about the insufficient frequency of the Swindon to Westbury service - however, whilst that's still pretty poor (far better than in was 15 years ago) it doesn't look like that was a contributory factor.   You MIGHT add that the Bristol express was the root cause of the failure and that needs to be like at too.  The Bristol train left Paddington on time but lost a lot of minutes before Reading - and there's a familiar story!


Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380092/32544/5]
Posted by grahame at 06:47, 27th September 2026
 
Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated by the lack of insight shown by so many transport articles like this that appear in what is meant to be "the quality press"?

Yes, but we are informed specialists, Mark, and as time passes and we continue to observe we become further informed and educated on these matters whereas the press and news feeds much address the whole of their audience which includes those who are younger and do't have as much life experience, or who's expertise is in other fields and they take just a skim-interest in travel.

Back on topic.
* Buses getting busier - more passengers boarding and leaving the bus
* Passengers staying seated until the bus stops / driver waiting for passengers to be seated before restarting
* A higher proportion of passengers with mobility / other issues that slow their boarding / leaving the bus
* Road congestion
* Routes being obfuscated by the addition of loops / routes through new housing and past new businesses
* New 20 mph speed limits
* Single door double deckers that increase passenger transit time from seat to and from door
* Consolidation of local "town" and interurban routes into a single one-journey-for-all vehicle
* Eased timetables with more generous catch up allowances to help better timekeeping

I went into Bath yesterday - slowed down by many of these issues.   Joined bus at 11:51, got off at Grand Parade in Bath at 12:52.   So that took 61 minutes.  Busy - both on the bus and on the roads.  The time scheduled is 11:48 to 12:35 - 47 minutes - and of an evening an inbound bus can have a timetable as brisk as 40 minutes, with fewer inbound passengers and fewer other vehicles on the road, and that timetable can be met.

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380091/32546/13]
Posted by grahame at 06:20, 27th September 2026
 

The obvious airport train, as unwary visitors often find out too late, may not be the best one. The Heathrow Express, which charges a whopping £26 for a 15- to 21-minute one-way hop, was long one of the most expensive airport connections around (at least until it was overtaken by the Luton Dart). It is, as advertised, technically the fastest way to central London, though passengers travelling beyond Paddington may reach their destination more quickly on the Elizabeth line or even the tube on a direct route.

For those who value the speed – in addition to TV news, a toilet and a luggage rack – it may be the perfect service. But the Heathrow Express was only used by 4.5 million passengers last year, a figure that represents, at best, less than 6% of Heathrow’s air passengers, with the number bolstered by airport staff on heavily discounted tickets.

I follow a number of International passenger travel social media feeds, and (something of a co-incidence?) I had stored some elements of a discussion yesterday morning to come back to here on the Coffee Shop.   A member advised

I took the Heathrow Express on a recent trip to London, based on recommendations from this group. 15 minutes from LHR to central London sounds great.

But it is a 15-20 minute walk from the terminal to the train platform. Plus the time to wait for the train. Plus the time to walk through Paddington Station to the taxi stand. Plus the time to take a taxi from Paddington to your hotel. In total, it took us over an hour to get from LHR to our hotel, about the same as a taxi. All while trying to drag our luggage behind us.

The cost for two train tickets plus the cab from Paddington to our hotel was a little less than the cost of a cab from LHR. If we had 4 people, the cost of the cab would have been less.

Keep that in mind if you're flying into LHR. It might be better to take a cab for about the same time and cost, but much greater ease (especially with luggage)

Various interesting responses included

I always stay at the Premier Inn Paddington Station. Take the Elizabeth line. Cheaper than Heathrow Express. Hotel is literally across the street from the station and great jumping off point for all areas of London.


Has anyone ever made the recommendation to call the hotel front desk and ask them? I assure you they have all that info ready for guests

Driving will certainly take a lot longer but yes Heathrow Express is an unnecessary rip off. Even before the elizabeth line, the piccadilly line couldve got you where you needed to go if you were willing to change trains for a fraction of the price.
That aside, i would still recommend the express before i recommended a cab to any visitor. It simply isnt worth it. Most real Londoners wont travel that way for a reason. Its worth dealing with a busier train and luggage 99% of the time.

No Londoner has ever taken the Heathrow Express twice.
Some first time visitors were trying to argue with me (why?) the other day
THE HX does not even stop at T4. So if you arrive there there's literally no justification ever for taking it into the centre

Tell me your from the USA without telling me (and that you did zero actual research….)If you booked in advance it would only be £10 each on the Heathrow express and it’s less on the Elizabeth line or Piccadilly line - which might also take you closer to your hotel. The walk at Paddington is less than five minutes, less if you take the walkway from the northern end of the platform. And depending on the time of day a taxi from Heathrow is 90 minutes if not more especially at rush hour. What are you trying to do? Save time or money?

really depends where your hotel is. I do regular subway from Heathrow - best $7 spent.

That's why I stick to the Underground, especially since the Elizabeth line opened! I only rarely take a taxi in London. The tube is the way to go. And once I switched to a carry on sized suitcase life is much easier!

My son lives in London & has helped me on 2 of my 12 visits (since 6/1/2022) to get to his home, via the tube system, as he works. But because of my maximum weight suitcase, carry on suitcase, and backpack (I stay 16-24 days), I just cannot physically do that on my own. I was taking black cabs from Heathrow, but they are very pricey. So now I take Ubers to his home & back to Heathrow for about half the price! It is worth the approximate $65-75 each way to have help with luggage & being delivered to his doorstep.

OP reply
For those suggesting the Elizabeth Line or (un-air-conditioned) Picadilly line, those might be a lot cheaper, and might work if you are traveling alone with only a small carry-on. But I can't imagine navigating either with larger luggage, especially with rush-hour commuter crowds.
And those trains take a lot longer to get into central London, plus you still have the very long walk from the airport terminal to the train platform. And unless your hotel is right near one of the train stops, you still have to manage to get from the train to your hotel.
The only advantage here is they're cheaper. But in my mind, they're not enough cheaper to be worth the hassle of managing luggage versus the ease and convenience of door-to-door service of cab or Uber.

How far was your hotel from Paddington and how far in advance did you book the Heathrow Express? Both are highly relevant to whether it makes sense to use it.
The Elizabeth line is the best option for most travellers between Heathrow and central London. Heathrow Express is a rip-off unless you get cheap advance tickets and are going somewhere near Paddington, its only destination.

Sounds like you should have used google maps to get to the right tube stop

I always take the Piccadilly or Elizabeth line (whichever is closer to my destination) to and from London. It’s an hour with the Piccadilly line, a taxi takes longer: traffic jams are real. The Elizabeth line is roomier and faster (and therefore more expensive at about 15 pounds). Used to take the H Express because I would often stay at a hotel near Paddington, but it’s only super fast if you’re staying in that area. I also travel a lot during rush hour (because of evening flights) and it’s a bit of a hassle but doable and it usually gets a lot better after a couple of stops. I travel alone (usually for work), so nobody to share an expensive taxi bill with.

Has the Heathrow Express had its day?

The 2026 Heathrow Express is a service and not a line that gives public transport links to places that would not be otherwise connected.   And perhaps it has been superceded by the Elizabeth Line for practical use and is hanging on, charging as much as it dares and not really providing the reach to central London's locations (hotels or homes in Town or in the suburbs) that people want.   Sure, there are places to stay around Paddington, but Paddington is not London.

Persoanally, I have caught it - as far as I can recall - once.    And like most Coffee Shop members live to the west of Heathrow, and would be doubling back in using it. Furthermore, I haven't flown in years - and to/from Heathrow that's for many years.  Can't think when I would use it expect "in extremis".  I suspect that as an element of a travel and transit system considering total journeys of the users, it could be replaced by something better using the paths.  As an income generator, it works but by carrying a significant proportion of people who know no better as well as the people (and there will be some) for whom it's ideal and its loss would be a worsening of their experience.

Looking forward?  I might advocate Heathrow Express paths being given over to an increased frequency of Elizabeth Line services running - on the core to Whitechapel at least - at a true metro frequency. Perhaps some skip-stopping (alternate trains only calling at Acton Main Line or West Ealing, for example) and ongoing services to Shenfield and to Woolwich, and how about to Stansted?     Direct from Heathrow also gives - via the Piccadilly line - a further slew of stations in Central London served, including St Pancras International, and Kings Cross.

Old Oak Common gives (or will give, looking way ahead when it opens) further connectional opportunities, and all of the above mentiones / discusses are to the east of the airport with - still - direct rail links north, south or west absent and not even under construction.   

Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380090/32544/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:56, 26th September 2026
 
Going back to the Guardian article referred to by MarkA, there are a number of questions raised that are not addressed by what I thought was something of a rambling, unfocused piece.
...
Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated by the lack of insight shown by so many transport articles like this that appear in what is meant to be "the quality press"?

You make a number of very good points there, eightonedee - thank you for posting.

Are we in danger of classing The Guardian - or indeed the Daily Mail - as "the quality press" in the UK?

Again, that's my personal opinion, not the official view from the Coffee Shop forum.

CfN.

Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380089/32544/5]
Posted by eightonedee at 23:28, 26th September 2026
 
Going back to the Guardian article referred to by MarkA, there are a number of questions raised that are not addressed by what I thought was something of a rambling, unfocused piece.

Firstly, there's no mention of the impact of other competing modes of public transport. The reduction in the number of journeys since 2013 quoted (300m), most of which occurred after Covid, is not that different to the number of passengers now carried by the Elizabeth Line (254m) which opened at about the same time. The Overground seems to have improved and is now marketed much more actively, and although the traditional tube lines have (I understand) lost out to the Elizabeth Line, this must make them more attractive to anyone who used buses in the past to avoid the crush of the Tube. Is this as much a "modal shift" caused by investment in other modes of transport?

Secondly, there seems some confusion in the message or conclusion of the piece. It starts off on the tack that "delays are driving passengers from the buses in London", but later produces some international comparisons showing that actually bus speeds have not declined significantly in London compared to the selection of 11 other major cities overseas for which comparable figures have been obtained. Having waffled on about Livingstone's bendy buses, Boris's "new" Routemasters and Kahn's electric buses (none of which are relevant to the issue of what is causing any delays), there's then an attempt to explain growing delays on various causes, ignoring the international comparison graphic showing just a 1% reduction in bus speeds since 2013, and not instead looking at whether the greater delays in cities such as Singapore, Paris or Dublin have resulted in even greater reduction in passenger numbers.

Thirdly, the graphic showing the increase in delays across Greater London does show a marked geographical variation that is not commented upon nor investigated. There's a sector across the west, largely between the A40 in the north-west and A3 in the south-west where almost all routes show the higher reduction in speeds (annoyingly, the scale is not shown, but if the colour segments are consistent, it looks like most are 12% slower or more, whereas there are many areas where the delays are under 4%). Why is this? Is it reflected in a greater decrease in ridership in West London?

Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated by the lack of insight shown by so many transport articles like this that appear in what is meant to be "the quality press"?

Re: A Day Out Chasing Clan Line - aka A Day of Missed Connections and Opportunities
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [380088/32549/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:25, 26th September 2026
Already liked by PhilWakely, GBM
 
Many thanks for your illustrated post, PhilWakely.

This is no reflection on, nor blame attached to, our Coffee Shop forum member here, Clan Line - just to clarify. 

CfN.

A Day Out Chasing Clan Line - aka A Day of Missed Connections and Opportunities
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [380087/32549/47]
Posted by PhilWakely at 23:08, 26th September 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
I wanted to chase Clan Line to Kemble today (Saturday, 26th September 2026) as she was pulling the UK Railtours Worcester Pullman. The plan was......

06:33 Pinhoe to Exeter St David's;
07:00 Exeter St David's to Reading;
<hopefully phot Clan Line passing Reading at 09:48>
09:58 Reading to Kemble
<hopefully phot Clan Line from the train as we overtake her in the Thames Valley>
<phot Clan Line entering Kemble and during her 20 minute stopover>
12:49 Kemble to Swindon;
13:13 Swindon to Westbury;
13:58 Westbury to Exeter St David's.

FELL AT THE FIRST!
06:33 Pinhoe to Exeter St David's was 13 minutes late and arrived at St David's just as the 07:00 to Paddington was pulling out, so quick change of plan...
07:30 Exeter St David's to Didcot Parkway (Via Bristol TM)
<phot Clan Line passing Didcot Parkway>
<phot Clan Line from my passing train as she took on water just west of Didcot>
10:12 Didcot Parkway to Kemble;

FAILURE NUMBER 2 as Clan Line was running late and passed Didcot just as my train to Kemble was pulling out!

Oh well, all should be fine at Kemble as Clan Line was due a 20 minute stopover and should be clear of any Up services!

How wrong I was! FAILURE NUMBER 3 as the Up 11:49 Paddington service pulled into the platform 10 minutes late just as Clan Line was arriving! So, the planned platform level shot of Clan Line was sacrificed for a shot from the footbridge. Oh well, at least a shot from the top of the platform was on as Clan Line stopped for the planned 20 minutes - holding up a late running Down Cheltenham service that should have passed 12 minutes ahead of Clan Line!

I departed Kemble as planned at 12:49 to connect with the TransWilts service at 13:13.
FAILURE NUMBER 4 as the TransWilts was held at Swindon for 8 minutes to allow a late running Down Bristol service to pass, thus resulting in a Westbury arrival just as my Exeter St David's service was departing!

Oh well, a chance for a two hour kip in the Westbury waiting room!









 
 

Re: First Bus pulling out of Cornwall, 14.2.2026
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380086/31133/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:56, 26th September 2026
 
Thank you for your informative and tactful update post here, LiskeardRich.

I note the wording in your profile footer text: we have no problem with that.

Chris from Nailsea. 

Re: The M23 Flixbus incident
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380084/32528/5]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 22:25, 26th September 2026
 
Flixbus - the Ryanair of buses? 

Again, that is my personal opinion, certainly not the official view from the Coffee Shop forum.

CfN. 

Worse, based on my encounters of them!

Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380083/32544/5]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 22:24, 26th September 2026
 
When a central door is fitted the wheelchair access is normally through the central door due to logistics with the interior created by the central door. The layout between single and double door buses are quite different.

Most central door buses can’t use bus stations as wheelchair users have no way of accessing the bus, due to the platform length not reaching the centre door.

Re: When the bus's card reader rejects your debit card.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380082/32539/5]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 22:19, 26th September 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Western Pathfinder, grahame
 
At my employer, our machines are offline. They’ll take payment when next connected to a company wifi network.

Some bank cards do not allow offline transactions, and the prefix numbers of the card indicate this, they’ll automatically decline.

If a customer has used a card that allows offline, but it’s been declined when collection of funds attempted later, that card number is added to a “hotlist”. A card remains hotlisted for a period of time, and will not work.

If a transaction fails we are instructed to repeat no more than 3 attempts.

We are instructed to allow travel, and ask the customer to attempt to purchase a valid ticket through the company app (online live transactions), if they have no cash.
Majority of passengers we will invite to sit down, and not worry too much. Issue a zero fare ticket, so the company have a record of where this has happened, if there’s a pattern that a zero fare is being issued at the same stop same time every day they’ll consider sending management to investigate.
As drivers we are told not to create conflict, and reminded we are out there alone. It isn’t worth delaying 50-100 other people or get assaulted or worse over a fare of £3. Lost revenue in this situation is estimated to be tiny. (This applies to where I work, and other operators may have different expectations on policies for drivers to adhere to)

Under no circumstances are we to leave a vulnerable person, or someone who could be at risk if we leave them behind. In my opinion anyone can be vulnerable, many disabilities are invisible. So I’ll never leave anyone behind unless they’re endangering safety of the bus.

Re: First Bus pulling out of Cornwall, 14.2.2026
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380081/31133/5]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 22:08, 26th September 2026
 
I was talking to a Liskeard driver about this a few days ago. He doesn’t believe there are many RMT members. He said RMT subs are quadruple the Unite weekly subs.
He said in his opinion this is being created by Ex reps from First who had easy jobs created by First management, who are now having to do proper work.

He doesn’t fear that this action will have much impact, as it’s little more than an overtime ban, and with so few RMT members it shouldn’t make much difference losing a few hours overtime.

I believe RMT may also be in breach of the TUC Bridlington Principles which date back to the 1930s.
A trade union is explicitly forbidden from organizing or recruiting a group of workers if another TUC-affiliated union already has an established negotiating relationship or majority membership with that employer

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380079/32456/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:59, 26th September 2026
Already liked by eightonedee, broadgage
 
.... you find that Butlins Minehead has been obliterated ...



Sorry: did I say that out loud? 

Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380078/22971/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:39, 26th September 2026
 
An update, from the BBC:

Heathrow Airport warns third runway could be delayed by four years

Heathrow Airport has warned that its planned third runway might be delayed by four years due to planning and regulatory issues.

The government had hoped the new runway at the UK's busiest airport, estimated to cost £33bn, would open by 2035.  But Heathrow sees this deadline as increasingly difficult to deliver without further steps to simplify the planning process. It said on Saturday that it hoped to secure planning permission by 2029 and then open the runway "within a decade".

The Department for Transport (DfT) said the project's timeline had "always been ambitious" and that it would continue to work with stakeholders "at pace" on the matter.

The airport said its "core scenario" had always been to open a new runway within a decade of securing planning permission.

It said it was encouraged by the chancellor's efforts to streamline infrastructure and remove regulatory bottlenecks, and promised to continue to work with ministers, airlines and stakeholders to "progress the planning application with pace".

Former chancellor Rachel Reeves announced the government's support for the project in January 2025 as a means to grow the economy, and Prime Minister Andy Burnham - who was previously critical - said he was "open-minded" about the scheme when he came to office.

Despite attracting wide opposition from environmental campaigners and local resident groups, the project is expected to create around 100,000 jobs and provide a major boost to the economy as part of a wider £49bn modernisation of the airport.

The expansion would mean demolishing hundreds of homes, diverting rivers, and rerouting the M25 motorway between junctions 14 and 15 through a tunnel under the new runway.

The number of flights from the site, currently capped at 480,000 a year, could go up to 720,000 - or nearly 2,000 a day on average.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has always opposed the new runway, warning of the impact on noise, air pollution and climate change.

The government's climate advisers warned last week that the expansion should only go ahead if airlines were required to pay for cleaner flying, which could push up the cost of flights.

Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said the advisers had set out "one view" but there was "more than one pathway to meeting our climate change obligations", in an interview with the Daily Telegraph published on Friday.

A draft of the planning framework for the expansion was published in June this year for consultation. Once finalised, it then needs to be put to a parliamentary vote, which could reportedly be delayed until 2027.

A DfT spokesperson said: "There is currently no live planning application for a third runway, and we cannot comment on ongoing consultation processes or prejudice them in a way that will only delay progress.  The timeline has always been ambitious. We'll continue to work with promoters, including Heathrow, and all other stakeholders at pace to ensure the right framework is in place for which a planning application for a third runway could be considered."

A spokesperson for Heathrow said: "It's right that ambitious targets were set; the sooner expansion begins, the sooner the whole UK will benefit."

They said the benefits would involve "at least 108,000 new jobs and billions of pounds invested in supply chains in every part of the country.  This is a national project, 100% privately financed which will support growth today and secure the UK's position in the global economy once the runway opens."

Heathrow is the UK's busiest airport, serving more than 80 million travellers a year with its four passenger terminals and two runways.


Re: Tidy bridge removal from West Coast Main Line
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380076/32547/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:08, 26th September 2026
 
Strewth! Are they holding a disco? Unnecessary, I feel

Could an iced coffee freeze you out of the job market?
In "The Lighter Side" [380075/32548/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:53, 26th September 2026
 
From the BBC:

Could an iced coffee freeze you out of the job market?

Would you bring an iced coffee to a job interview?

The question on the internet's lips this week started life, as many do, in a TikTok video.

"Don't waltz into your interview all casual with an iced coffee, it just looks like you didn't have time to finish your coffee beforehand," said US recruiter Caitlin Wehniainen.

It's what her Gen Z job candidates are doing, she said, warning it makes it look like the interview is "just a stop on your list of errands for the day".

The post has started what Wehniainen calls the Great Iced Coffee Debate of 2026.

Some believe turning up with an iced matcha latte in hand is a cardinal sin. They say it's unprofessional, too informal, and a distraction.

Others feel this is an overreaction - distracting from how difficult it is to secure a job - or even just get an interview in the first place.

In a subsequent LinkedIn post, Wehniainen says she "was never saying that bringing coffee makes someone a bad candidate.  My point was simply about avoiding distractions."

(BBC article continues)


Re: Special timetables - dry trackbed and leaf season
In "The Lighter Side" [380074/32543/30]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:53, 26th September 2026
 
London Underground go on to January 12th.....

Tidy bridge removal from West Coast Main Line
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380073/32547/51]
Posted by Mark A at 20:50, 26th September 2026

Re: Special timetables - dry trackbed and leaf season
In "The Lighter Side" [380072/32543/30]
Posted by Surrey 455 at 20:48, 26th September 2026
 
We have the South Western Main line slowed because the clay of the trackbed is drying out, but I haven't heard about leaf fall season timetables yet this year.  Have I been sleeping?
SWR leaf fall timetable started last week.

https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/autumn-weather-conditions

Re: When the bus's card reader rejects your debit card.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380071/32539/5]
Posted by Surrey 455 at 20:45, 26th September 2026
 
I do not know the full answer to this. However, watching the current "Fare Dodger" programme on Ch 5 implies that on TfL a debit card with no credit will just keep on working the barriers and racking up thousands in unpaid fares. So this seems to mean that public transport systems do not always recognise a cancelled card.

Wiser heads may be able to comment with more certainty?

My understanding of the TfL system is that it works in "transit" mode, an offline mode to speed up boarding and similarly at ticket barriers. Everytime you tap your card is recorded and eventually uploaded to TfL central computer who then calculate how much to charge you. They will try to take the funds in the early hours of the morning. If the card is declined, I think they try again and if still declined they will block your card at every terminal and gateline until you contact them to pay up.

From TfL
2.19 If your card is declined when we submit it for payment, you authorise us to
seek to take payment using your card details again on a number of additional
occasions until we receive the full payment. This payment will show in your bank
account as TFL.GOV.UK/CP TFL UNPAID FA. We will not seek payment on more
than three occasions nor more than once a day nor for longer than 30 days after
your payment was declined.

2.20 If your card is declined when we submit it for payment, we will also attempt to
collect any unpaid fares the next time you touch your card or device on a yellow card
reader or a portable card reader held by staff. You can sign in to your TfL online
account to pay any unpaid fares, or call TfL Customer Services.

2.21 If you have unpaid fares for previous travel, you will not be permitted to travel
using the contactless card that has unpaid fares against it until the amount owed has
been paid in full.

Re: Special timetables - dry trackbed and leaf season
In "The Lighter Side" [380070/32543/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:40, 26th September 2026
 
Oh, leave it out, you amateur comedians. 


Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380069/32546/13]
Posted by Mark A at 19:31, 26th September 2026

Re: When the bus's card reader rejects your debit card.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380067/32539/5]
Posted by Clan Line at 18:23, 26th September 2026
 

............ a debit card with no credit will just keep on working the barriers and racking up thousands in unpaid fares.


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I suspect that the machines are designed to work locally and the details are updated at the end of the day. 

I can remember, many moons ago, using a UK debit card in an ATM in Washington DC. The receipt informed me that my balance was now $99,950. I assumed that there was no real time link to the ATM and numbers were just totalled daily/weekly or something. I didn't try the balance any further !!!

Re: When the bus's card reader rejects your debit card.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380066/32539/5]
Posted by eXPassenger at 18:09, 26th September 2026
 
Unless the ticket machine has a signal it cannot validate the debit card.  I suspect that the machines are designed to work locally and the details are updated at the end of the day.  Procedures to pass a black list of bounced debit cards back to all the ticket machines would then prevent future use of the card for n days.

 
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