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Weather related discussions, here in the West particularly - ongoing in 2026
In "Across the West" [381939/32725/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:18, 14th November 2026
 
From BBC Weather:

Milder weather coming before more cold health alerts take effect

Another round of cold health alerts is set to come into force on Sunday following a brief break from the weekend's subzero temperatures.

After readings dipped as low as minus 7C early on Saturday, most places on Sunday morning will be milder and free of frost.

Widespread rainfall is likely with hail and thunderstorms possible for parts of Wales and southern England.

Into the new week, the wintry chill is set to return with UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) cold-health alerts beginning for the north-east and north-west of England and Yorkshire and the Humber from 21:00 GMT on Sunday.

Milder air will arrive on Sunday morning, with temperatures sitting around 2 to 6C for most places, although the coldest spots in central and eastern England may still drop close to freezing.

It follows a bitter morning on Saturday with minus 7.2C recorded at South Newington in Oxfordshire - the lowest temperature of the autumn so far.

As weather fronts move in from the west, areas of showery rain will drift eastwards across much of the UK through the day.

(BBC Weather article continues)


Brighton Main Line - nine day closure warning, for 13 to 21 February 2027
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381938/32724/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:37, 14th November 2026
 
From the BBC:

Nine-day Brighton Main Line closure warning


All lines south of Three Bridges will be closed will be closed from 13 February until 21 February inclusive - Image © Getty Images

The Brighton Main Line, one of the busiest stretches of railway in the UK, is set to be closed for nine days in February, operator Greater Thameslink Railway (GTR) has said.

All lines south of Three Bridges will be closed over the half-term period from 13 February until 21 February inclusive, with buses running in place of trains.

GTR said the work was to improve the reliability and safety of the vital route with "significant investment", with works including track renewal, earthworks and renewal of level crossings.

The line to London through Horsham, Bognor Regis and Portsmouth remains open, while trains towards London, Bedford and Cambridge will start and terminate at Three Bridges.

Buses will replace trains between:
* Three Bridges via all stations to/from Brighton
* Three Bridges and Lewes via Haywards Heath and Cooksbridge
* Three Bridges and Haywards Heath
* Haywards Heath and Plumpton
* Lewes and East Grinstead (weekdays only)

GTR said trains on other routes out of Brighton, towards Southampton on the West Coastway and Eastbourne on the East Coastway, would be revised.

Some trains will still run directly between London Victoria and Brighton but will be diverted via Horsham and Littlehampton, meaning longer journeys.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [381937/31163/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:13, 14th November 2026
 
From the Metro:

First person killed by steam train in nearly 60 years

A person was fatally struck by a steam train on its way to an Armistice Day event in the first incident of its kind in almost 60 years.

The 34028 Eddystone locomotive had left Southall depot in west London for Victoria Station when it collided with a person who had allegedly walked off a platform at Hanwell at around 6am on Wednesday.

The steam train, operated by Southern Locomotives Ltd, was due to head to the major rail terminus before pulling the Armistice Steam Express to Canterbury for a Remembrance Day commemoration.

Its tour that day was cancelled following the incident, the first fatality from a steam train in the UK in 58 years.

Several services were disrupted on the Great Western Main Line, including Elizabeth Line trains for most of Wednesday.

A statement from the firm said: ‘We are deeply saddened to confirm that a person has died after being struck by our locomotive 34028 Eddystone this morning at Hanwell Station, West London.  Our immediate thoughts and deepest sympathies are with the family and loved ones of the individual involved and the train crew who witnessed the tragedy.'

The rail tour due to depart Victoria today has been cancelled as a result of this incident.

A spokesperson for British Transport Police said the victim was pronounced dead on the scene but that the incident was not being treated as suspicious.

According to the Office for Rail and Road, a total of 17 people died while trespassing on the railway between April 2025 and March 2026, 11 of which were at level crossings.


Plaque marks Britain's first petrol station (1919)
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381936/32723/31]
Posted by Marlburian at 18:02, 14th November 2026
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A new plaque marks a pioneering filling station on the A4 Bath Road near Aldermaston Wharf that was established by the Automobile Association in 1919.

Archive footage

I suspect that there has been a re-think about the precise location, as the parish council website has a modern sketch map showing it a couple of hundred yards to the west. There were, and are, two bridges over the railway at Aldermaston Wharf, and perhaps the wrong one was taken as a positioning landmark.

Coming from Reading, the sign is in the first layby after the A4/A340roundabout. Best reached on two or four wheels: this morning I approached it on foot on the wrong side of the busy road. There is no pavement on the other side.

There is no trace at all of the original structure which, I think, was removed in the late 1920s.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381935/32456/31]
Posted by eXPassenger at 17:31, 14th November 2026
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Many years ago I was talking with the IT manager of an ice cream factory about resilience.  He said they had no IT power backup; the site had 2 completely separated HV supplies and the electricity company knew that if there was a power outage then within an hour the city centre would be flooded with melted ice cream.

Re: GWR reassures passengers: No radical change after nationalisation on 13 Dec 2026
In "Across the West" [381934/32716/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:49, 14th November 2026
 
And therein, certainly as far as the GWML - particularly the PAD<>NBY section - is concerned, lies the problem; unless and until Network Rail do their job properly and engage in a bit of root cause fault finding rather than, it seems to me, quick fix and forget about it until the next time service performance will not improve.

They did that after they felt the breath of the ORR on their necks in 2024.  So much so that things improved enough that the enforcement action was lifted in June of this year:

https://www.orr.gov.uk/search-news/fewer-delays-and-cancellations-wales-western-following-regulator-intervention

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/NR-WW-Performance-Improvement-Report.pdf

I don't know if the figures have nosedived since - it will be interesting to see.

Re: TSSA members vote for strike action at GWR
In "Across the West" [381933/32722/26]
Posted by grahame at 16:03, 14th November 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Rail Union finds reason to strike over pay etc.......no "radical change" with the onset of GBR there either then? 

Who knows? 

I did find myself having sympathy with this lot ...

In a separate dispute 100 per cent of Clerical Grades - members working for the Finance Directorate within Retail Accounts - voted to take action short of a strike but rejected strike action by a narrow margin.

This is over the addition to their workload of 'accounts receivable' work, where they are now expected to chase other organisations to pay unpaid bills. This has never previously been part of the role, but is as a result of a reorganisation, all whilst being graded lower than other equivalent clerical roles within the business.

... in that chasing overdue payments is not something that most people enjoy, and I can imagine some of the paperwork types saying "this is not what I signed up for - it's a change of job and one I am not comfortable with".  I can identify with that - and I can also see that changing roles may be appropriate from a company organisation viewpoint.  As the day to day stuff becomes quicker and more automated, it is natural for the non-routine stuff such as "oy - where's our money" to be a bigger element of what the organisation has to do, and is perhaps a natural area  for them to move staff who may otherwise be surplus to requirements. 

Re: TSSA members vote for strike action at GWR
In "Across the West" [381932/32722/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:11, 14th November 2026
 
From the TSSA website[/url

TSSA members vote for strike action at GWR

TSSA members working across several roles at Great Western Railway (GWR) have strongly backed strike action and action short of a strike in a dispute over flexible working arrangements, pay and pensions.

Rail Union finds reason to strike over pay etc.......no "radical change" with the onset of GBR there either then? 

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381931/32456/31]
Posted by Mark A at 14:21, 14th November 2026
 
Totally off-topic: from the days before Soller gained its road tunnel, and a rainy night. Sitting eating in a cafe beside the tram stop in Puerto de Soller, Majorca, a rumbling as a thunderstorm made the rounds of the mountains. A not-particularly-dramatic lightning strike but every light went out and stayed out, save for... well, the cafe staff were not in the least downhearted, and we continued our meal, eating by the light of the silvery tram.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381930/32456/31]
Posted by broadgage at 14:11, 14th November 2026
 
Examples of consumers protected from rota power cuts, are railway traction current supplies (but not stations)
Stations that are in darkness can be a problem in more ways than one. Unless emergency lighting can be arranged, there is a risk trains wont be able to call.

Agree, I have previously suggested a solution.

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?action=post;quote=245879;topic=20334.0;num_replies=4;sesc=19ce76e4aab52d95bf0f3cd4b280c63d

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381929/32456/31]
Posted by Fourbee at 13:46, 14th November 2026
 
Examples of consumers protected from rota power cuts, are railway traction current supplies (but not stations)
Stations that are in darkness can be a problem in more ways than one. Unless emergency lighting can be arranged, there is a risk trains wont be able to call.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [381928/28982/26]
Posted by old original at 12:35, 14th November 2026
 
Anyone have an idea of how many are in service now?

I know at least two are as both rolled in to Penzance last night within 10 minutes of each other

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381927/32456/31]
Posted by broadgage at 12:33, 14th November 2026
 
More info about rota power cuts.
A very small number of consumers are exempt from rota power cuts, in order to be exempt the consumer must be judged to be of NATIONAL  importance AND have a dedicated high voltage grid supply. Such consumers are on the V list, for  VITAL importance or on the F list for food production and storage facilities of NATIONAL  importance.
Examples of consumers protected from rota power cuts, are railway traction current supplies (but not stations) some MOD facilities, Some ports and dockyards, and the electrical supply industry itself.
There can be question of any exemption for any consumers supplied at low or medium voltage.

Being on the F or V list does give any immunity random power cuts cuts resulting form bad weather.

TSSA members vote for strike action at GWR
In "Across the West" [381926/32722/26]
Posted by grahame at 11:54, 14th November 2026
 
From the TSSA website

TSSA members vote for strike action at GWR

TSSA members working across several roles at Great Western Railway (GWR) have strongly backed strike action and action short of a strike in a dispute over flexible working arrangements, pay and pensions.

Re: GWR reassures passengers: No radical change after nationalisation on 13 Dec 2026
In "Across the West" [381925/32716/26]
Posted by a-driver at 10:05, 14th November 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 

Now ... it may be biased by a careful choice of starting date and making no reference to other factors, but I found this diagram from  The Time via "Down the line" rather interesting to consider.



But there's another graph going round which shows the same sort of drop in performance on the privatised TOC's, to me, that's more indicative of the state of the infrastructure then anything.

Re: GWR reassures passengers: No radical change after nationalisation on 13 Dec 2026
In "Across the West" [381924/32716/26]
Posted by grahame at 09:38, 14th November 2026
 
Of course they’ll be no radical change!  The DfT have always been in control, nationalisation just cuts out the middle man and gives the DfT accountants more control so expect a gradual decline in all areas with no one publicly answerable to it.

Now ... it may be biased by a careful choice of starting date and making no reference to other factors, but I found this diagram from  The Time via "Down the line" rather interesting to consider.


Re: Does a the bus fare cap seriously jeopardise rail service use?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [381923/32692/5]
Posted by grahame at 09:17, 14th November 2026
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, GBM
 
I started this thread far, far away - the far north of Scotland - and from there, whatever the fares, the railway takes a long and winding road across the vast peat bogs covering the moorlands of Caithness to avoid the great scars sliced into the coastal cliffs  along the North Sea coast.     After following the coast from Helmsdale through Brora and to Golspie, it then cuts inland again via Lairg to cross the Kyles of Sutherland upriver of the estuary at Invershin/Culrain, before making another great detour around the head of the Black Isle via Dingwall, to arrive into Inverness - although it's the "Far North Line" from the West.

There have - always - been roads with difficult gradients from Wick to Helmsdale, going down and up the magnificent valley slopes from the high moorland to nearly sea level, crossing the valley, and back up the other side.  Modern railway engineering would, no doubt, allow for high viaducts to be built, and modern traction would allow far fiercer gradients, but it has not been done. 

Across the Kyles of Sutherland at the Dornoch Firth, a long causeway now provides a road access to the south from Brora and north thereof, cutting the road distance from Golspie to the south by many miles and many, many minutes.  No engineering reason it could not have included a railway line, but it didn't.

The again, across the two great sea slashes into the coast that form the "Black Isle" - really a peninsular, high quality / speed roads have been built which get you from Invergordon to Inverness in a fraction of the time - and with a fraction of the fuel burn - that the road around the end (and that's the way the railway still goes) would take.  In days gone by, the Kessock Ferry would take you part of this road route.  No need these days - it's bridged - but for road only.

Looking at Google for Journey planning this morning, I am offered around 3 hours by bus / coach and 4 hours and 15 minutes by train from Wick to Inverness.   Even if the cost were equal, most people would elect for the bus?    Of course, it's not that simple - the train and bus also both serve Thurso though in opposite directions, and there the timings are broadly equal at 3 hours and 45 minutes.  And, I would suggest, cost becomes a far more headline consideration.  And looking further south, intermediate places served by one but not the other mode help justify both, as does the comfort, tourist nature, and ability to connect south within the same station for the train.



A picture found online - shared "members only" here as it's not mine - was a stark reminded of road v rail, USA style



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Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [381922/28982/26]
Posted by a-driver at 09:15, 14th November 2026
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It looks like it's to do with the air conditioning unit. Laira cannot fix it. The trains have been stuck on a siding since arriving at Laira on 1 October 2026


No, I don’t think it’s the air con.  They both went through the depot train wash and the water poured in.

Re: GWR reassures passengers: No radical change after nationalisation on 13 Dec 2026
In "Across the West" [381921/32716/26]
Posted by a-driver at 09:13, 14th November 2026
Already liked by PrestburyRoad
 
Of course they’ll be no radical change!  The DfT have always been in control, nationalisation just cuts out the middle man and gives the DfT accountants more control so expect a gradual decline in all areas with no one publicly answerable to it.

Re: GWR reassures passengers: No radical change after nationalisation on 13 Dec 2026
In "Across the West" [381920/32716/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:37, 14th November 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
.....The ongoing issues of the lack of reliability of rolling stock and infrastructure, such as signalling, points and overhead line problems, for example, aren't going to be magically resolved on 13 December 2026. .....

And therein, certainly as far as the GWML - particularly the PAD<>NBY section - is concerned, lies the problem; unless and until Network Rail do their job properly and engage in a bit of root cause fault finding rather than, it seems to me, quick fix and forget about it until the next time service performance will not improve.

As to the rolling stock, specifically the IETs, Hitachi don't appear to have exactly covered themselves in glory with these machines. However I do wonder if any 'mean time/distance between failure' data comparison has been carried out across all TOCs that use IETs to possibly identify any variations in failures and their causes. 

Exactly this.

No-one is expecting to wake up on 14 December to a magically transformed railway and it's actually a little condescending to suggest that.

What we need to see is the plan - for long term stability and reliability rather than just tapes and bits of string - the failures in LTV, well documented here, are often daily now - what difference is GBR going to make to this? How? Over what timescale? With what resources?

"A more integrated railway system" in and of itself, is not going to change that and it's the sort of empty phrase that manages to promise much without providing any detail as to how the change and outcomes necessary are going to be achieved.

The irony of "GWR managing director Mark Hopwood said staff had been working hard behind the scenes to ensure passengers do not notice too much change" will take some beating! 

Re: GWR reassures passengers: No radical change after nationalisation on 13 Dec 2026
In "Across the West" [381919/32716/26]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:12, 14th November 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
.....The ongoing issues of the lack of reliability of rolling stock and infrastructure, such as signalling, points and overhead line problems, for example, aren't going to be magically resolved on 13 December 2026. .....

And therein, certainly as far as the GWML - particularly the PAD<>NBY section - is concerned, lies the problem; unless and until Network Rail do their job properly and engage in a bit of root cause fault finding rather than, it seems to me, quick fix and forget about it until the next time service performance will not improve.

As to the rolling stock, specifically the IETs, Hitachi don't appear to have exactly covered themselves in glory with these machines. However I do wonder if any 'mean time/distance between failure' data comparison has been carried out across all TOCs that use IETs to possibly identify any variations in failures and their causes. 

Re: Is special safety care needed at special events?
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [381918/32718/10]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:26, 13th November 2026
Already liked by grahame, Mark A, Fourbee, GBM
 
A couple of points from me, if I may?

The positioning of that trio on the platform at Chippenham for a photo shot was irresponsible. Trains arrive at that platform from the West - behind them.  The narrowing of the platform due to the substantial scaffolding structure accentuates the issue.  When I've been at Chippenham station (and I have, several times recently), the platform staff (and the public address announcements) repeatedly tell people to stay behind the yellow line.  It's there for a reason - safety.

There is a far more suitable photographic site outside the station - there's a wide pedestrian approach, with the historic architecture in the background to validate it as a railway station.  They should note that for next time.

CfN.

Re: GWR reassures passengers: No radical change after nationalisation on 13 Dec 2026
In "Across the West" [381917/32716/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:00, 13th November 2026
Already liked by IndustryInsider, grahame, GBM
 
I recall asking the experts when all the excitement was triggered on this forum several years ago by the announcement of GWR, what tangibly could customers expect as an improvement. I never really got an answer, but perhaps this has indirectly provided it - very little, for the foreseeable future at least.

I recall suggesting to you several times over the last couple of years not to expect much change at all.  Mirroring exactly what 'Hopwood' said in his statement.


May I thank you both for your forthright and very polite posts here.

As I started this particular topic, I'll add my own observations to it.

I think Mark Hopwood has done an excellent job here, in explaining why the 'change of ownership' of the railways isn't going to 'wave a magic wand' (see grahame's post elsewhere! ) and solve all of these problems overnight.

The ongoing issues of the lack of reliability of rolling stock and infrastructure, such as signalling, points and overhead line problems, for example, aren't going to be magically resolved on 13 December 2026.

What I do find encouraging is that, after that date, it will no longer be a case of TOC v TOC, or TOCs v Network Rail: it should help to develop a more integrated railway system.  That will benefit everyone on the railways - passengers and staff.

Sorry: my cage was rattled, again.

CfN.

Re: Australia - various railway issues, merged topics and posts
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [381916/5264/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:04, 13th November 2026
 
I have also merged a couple of topics here, as they both relate specifically to railways in Australia.

For clarity, continuity and ease of future reference to our readers.

CfN.

Re: Sydney Australia frightening train footage
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [381915/5264/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:53, 13th November 2026
 
I have, by the way, added an explanation of 'Darwin Award' to our Coffee Shop forum's 'abbreviations & acronyms page' - lest any of our readers might be puzzled as to the term.

CfN.

Microsoft outage at the Coffee Shop
In "News, Help and Assistance" [381914/32721/29]
Posted by grahame at 20:08, 13th November 2026
Already liked by PhilWakely, Western Pathfinder, GBM, eXPassenger
 
There are no Microsoft servers or products in use in the Coffee Shop, so we haven't any problems like other have today



Northamptonshire, Long Buckby: Christmas disruption as railway bridge replaced
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381913/32720/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:41, 13th November 2026
 
From the BBC:

Christmas disruption as railway bridge replaced


Services on London Northwestern Railway and Avanti West Coast will be affected by the works between 24 December and 1 January - Image © London Northwestern Railway

Train passengers on the West Coast Main Line are being warned of significant disruption over the Christmas period.

Network Rail engineers will replace the deck of the bridge that runs over the River Nene at Long Buckby in Northamptonshire at a cost of £9.3m.

It means no trains will run between Northampton and Rugby via Long Buckby between Sunday 27 December and Friday 1 January, with replacement buses in place.

Other major works include upgrades to power lines around Birmingham New Street, with no trains serving the station between Christmas Eve and Monday 28 December.

Overhead wiring and cabling will also be installed between North Wembley and Bourne End in Buckinghamshire, while track drainage in Crick Tunnel, Northamptonshire, will be improved.

Andy Johnson, project manager at Network Rail, said the organisation had worked with train operators to "minimise disruption".

"[The bridge replacement] will make the structure more resilient, improve safety and help make journeys more reliable," Johnson added.

(BBC article continues, with more details)


Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance - ongoing discussion
In "London to the West" [381912/31911/12]
Posted by PhilWakely at 19:17, 13th November 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
Currently sat at Exeter St David's.
Held at Exeter Central and 72 late.
Arrived EXD 145 minutes late.
As of 0724 still at EXD.
Not much moving around EXD, with many cancellations so far.

I did read elsewhere that it finally arrived over 4 hours late - not sure if that's accurate however.

Real time trains shows it due in Penzance at 07:55 but actually there at 12:45 - that's 290 minutes late.  At it's worst it was 5 hours down - arrive Plymouth at 10:38 as opposed to timetable of 05:38.  Almost as bad as out Leipzig to Frankfurt and then Aachen journey in August, but at least the GWR run looks like it was the train and not standing on an overcrowded bus for the last 90 minutes.

Thanks to the broken rail at Exeter St David's, the Sleeper spent  an hour or so at Exeter Central, then was sent up to Taunton (presumably because of lack of space at St David's) and stabled there for a short while before reversing and continuing its journey down to Penzance some 5 hours down.

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381911/10737/21]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:51, 13th November 2026
 
From the BBC:

Bristol then and now: Temple Meads and fashion

In the fourth of our interactive galleries showing how Bristol has changed over the years, we take a look at Bristol's most famous railway station and see how World War Two altered the look of Whiteladies Road.

We also take a stroll through the city centre to compare fashions from 1930s to today.

Swipe left and right to reveal how each location has changed.

The main entrance to Bristol's biggest station does not appear vastly different in these two photographs - the first taken in July 1926. Look closer at the clock tower however, and you will see the spire is missing. It was destroyed by an incendiary bomb in January 1941. The cars parked outside in the 1926 image would no doubt get vintage vehicle enthusiasts excited.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance - ongoing discussion
In "London to the West" [381910/31911/12]
Posted by grahame at 17:16, 13th November 2026
 
Currently sat at Exeter St David's.
Held at Exeter Central and 72 late.
Arrived EXD 145 minutes late.
As of 0724 still at EXD.
Not much moving around EXD, with many cancellations so far.

I did read elsewhere that it finally arrived over 4 hours late - not sure if that's accurate however.

Real time trains shows it due in Penzance at 07:55 but actually there at 12:45 - that's 290 minutes late.  At it's worst it was 5 hours down - arrive Plymouth at 10:38 as opposed to timetable of 05:38.  Almost as bad as out Leipzig to Frankfurt and then Aachen journey in August, but at least the GWR run looks like it was the train and not standing on an overcrowded bus for the last 90 minutes.

 
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