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Re: Marlow Branch Line, Marlow Donkey - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376365/27661/13]
Posted by Mark A at 11:10, 24th June 2026
 
24th. Ded again.

Mark

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376364/32162/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:28, 24th June 2026
 
Essential travel only on Wednesday 24 and Thursday 25 June into, through, or out of the red warning area.

So, normal service say from EXD to PNZ.....never in red area.

Dangerous statement.

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376363/28556/25]
Posted by GBM at 09:04, 24th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
And another one in Cornwall falls over................

Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Due to a points failure between Par and Newquay all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:30 23/06.

........also caused the direct Newquay-Paddington service to be started from Plymouth.
The London/Newquay train seems to have been capped at Plymouth quite a bit recently.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance - ongoing discussion
In "London to the West" [376362/31911/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:12, 24th June 2026
 
Suspect it would have caught up a bit........

23:46 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55
23/06/26 23:46 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 was started from Reading.
It will no longer call at London Paddington.

It is being delayed between Reading and Taunton and is now expected to be 173 minutes late.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376361/32138/26]
Posted by Electric train at 07:01, 24th June 2026
 
X-country or formally known in BR days as inter-regional have always been a bit of Cinderella service.  In BR days there was a large dwell time at places like Reading, 15 plus mins.

X-country did have 125's (HST's) which could be argued were over spec as most of the routes operated were 90 mph, but the 125's were at the time BR's standard intercity passenger train stock thereby reducing Driver training on different traction units also for maintenance spares and staff training.

There is no simple fix, as some parts of the x-country routes are heavy commuter use for example Reading - Basingstoke, Reading - Oxford, Coventry - Birmingham; just to name a few.  So do you size the train set to suit these hot spots or for the cross country connectivity?

Perhaps in the new GBR world X-country should revert to inter- regional

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376360/32138/26]
Posted by John D at 06:41, 24th June 2026
 
The biggest problem is short sets, and consequent crowding, too many trains just 4car or 5car at busy times (and there is a reason why end cars are labled A and F, because made provision to extend to 6car, but never did).

It doesn't help that XC cancels so many trains, that passengers get doubled up on next service.  Their latest performance figures show 9.6% are cancelled, and 3.4% are shortformed (which I think they define as single set that should be double, rather than including 4car that should be 5car)

https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/about-us/key-business-performance-indicators

Basically it is a network stuck with using 25 old diesel trains, that were designed for a high frequency service, in 3 classes (the premier standard never happened), so badly laid out for today's passenger flow.  And of course operate huge mileages on diesel whilst on electrified lines.

I understand the units being refurbished have done about 5.5 million miles, and they do around 220,000 miles per year.   Although for such intensive use are actually in fairly good condition, if not the correct product for today's (and going into 2030s) railway.

Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376359/32164/31]
Posted by grahame at 05:16, 24th June 2026
 
From The BBC

What a British etiquette expert would never do in a hotel

From noisy corridors to thieving toiletries, William Hanson reveals the hotel habits that horrify him most.

People often behave differently in hotels than they do at home, and not always for the better.

Prominent British etiquette expert William Hanson, who directs The English Manner institute in Central London, puts bad hotel behaviour down to the "commercial" factor. "It's a transactional proposition, so some people wrongly feel they are entitled to behave in a way that they wouldn't at home. Whether that's leaving their room an absolute bomb site or being rude to the staff."

Having spent a decade running a hotel, I can very much see some of what he gets at.   But yet we seem to have had a charmed time for the most part.  People and guests are typically lovely - especially people who visited us on business, be that as delegate for our own business or people working elsewhere it town.

I have (!!) some experience at staying in hotels too - respect the place, treat the team running the place (and other guests) humanely / as people, and if there are significant issues perhaps point them out gently.  The article refers to a Faulty Towers sketch where everything goes wrong with a meal, but when Basil asks them they give a "very good, thank you" British answer.


German rail network "at complete halt" 23/06 late evening.
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [376358/32163/52]
Posted by broadgage at 23:14, 23rd June 2026
 
Reported as being due to IT issues rather than heat  related.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crm0ek4z7ggo

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376357/32138/26]
Posted by eightonedee at 22:17, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Mark A
 
But I think this raises the issue of what market is CC trying to serve. Is it a business market or is leisure market service ? If the former, then it’s more likely that the destination station (or the city business district it serves) is the actual final destination. But if its leisure it maybe more likely that the final destination is further afield than a city business district, and most likely necessitating a change of transport (mode) anyway ?

I don't think any such analysis will help. The current Cross Country set-up is used for a variety reasons. Personally, I have used it for holidays (Reading-Newcastle as part of a Scottish trip, to get to Southampton Airport for a flights, and in my youth, before it was a thing, equivalent services for holidays in Scotland and Dorset starting from Reading), business (mostly to get to Birmingham, Wolverhampton or Manchester for meetings), family visits when my in-laws lived in North Yorkshire, and commuting, when Cross Country still ran to Gatwick and Portsmouth and sometimes it was a convenient (and much more comfortable) way to do the Reading-Guildford part of my commute.

I think that this misses the point. It's not just an end-to-end service for grannies in Manchester or Newcastle to go the seaside at Bournemouth or Torquay. It is a very useful service for all kinds of travellers using various parts and various lengths of its network. The main cause of complaint repeated on this forum (over-crowding) shows that there is more demand for its services than can be coped with by its current capacity. Small fixed-formation 4- or 5-car trains are no longer sufficient.

You may also call the Swansea -> Portsmouth and Brighton service (as it was) Cross County, and Liverpool - Newcastle ... under GBR▸ there is some logic to move things between logical divisions for today rather than for the last 30 years.  Might add the Marches line too.

This highlights a confusion. Are we talking about the current Cross Country franchise operation, based on long-distance services running largely on an X-shaped network linking Scotland, the North-east, Yorkshire and the East Midlands (on one arm), Manchester, Cheshire/Staffs and Wolverhampton (on the second), the Thames Valley and the Solent/Greater Bournemouth area (on the third) and Bristol and the South-west on the fourth, and a "tail" to Stanstead, all radiating out of Birmingham? I can see the sense of these remaining as a single business unit, with a common core fleet of trains and staff, into which the other routes you mention do not seem to fit well.

Or do you mean that under a new unified GBR, they ought to be promoted together as part of a strategy to encourage more rail use by long-distance travellers not intending to travel via London? I can support this, as over many years I've been surprised by how few potential passengers are surprised to learn (for example) that there are direct trains from Reading to Gatwick or Manchester. But I cannot see any advantage or possible improvement to the trains on the current Cross Country routes from lumping them into the same operating division or business unit.

Re: Two South Western Ambulance workers arrested after six people die in Wiltshire
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376356/30766/31]
Posted by broadgage at 21:55, 23rd June 2026
 
I think that this occurred during or slightly before one my hospital trips.
My oxygen saturation was measured and recorded frequently in line with normal practice.
But what struck me as unusual, was that some readings by had to be witnessed by a second person.
There was nothing concerning about the actual readings,

"Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376355/32162/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:45, 23rd June 2026
 
Cancellations to services on all routes

Due to severe weather:

Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:59 26/06.
Customer Advice
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Amended service to run during extreme heat following rare Met Office red weather warning.
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Essential travel only on Wednesday 24 and Thursday 25 June into, through, or out of the red warning area.
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Due to a rare red warning of extreme heat, customers are being warned of essential travel only on Wednesday and Thursday.
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Extreme heat can cause rails to expand and buckle, so when temperatures reach certain thresholds, trains must run more slowly to keep services safe. This will mean fewer trains and slightly longer journey times during the warmest periods of each day.
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Prolonged high temperatures can also affect equipment on our older regional train fleet, including engines and cooling systems. This means there may be some short-notice changes or cancellations, particularly during the hottest parts of the day.

To help customers, those with tickets to travel on Tuesday 23, Wednesday 24 and Thursday 25 June can use them to travel on Monday 22, Tuesday 23 and up to and including Friday 26 June. The ticket changes apply to those travelling into, through, or out of the red warning zone local journeys in Devon and Cornwall do not apply.
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While we expect to operate the majority of services across the network, the reduction follows the Met Office extreme heat weather warning from Monday 22 June until Thursday 25 June.

Re: Cancellations to services between Bournemouth & Southampton Central - ongoing incidents
In "South Western services" [376354/30445/42]
Posted by MVR S&T at 21:22, 23rd June 2026
 
Two issues this evening, both up and down lines in separate locations on the Brockenhurst panel area.

Re: Marlow
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376353/27661/13]
Posted by Mark A at 19:14, 23rd June 2026

Re: Marlow
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376352/27661/13]
Posted by Electric train at 19:01, 23rd June 2026
 
The donkey's broken down, poor creature.

Mark

It is only the Donkey, services on the former Maidenhead - High Wycombe main line are still operating a service Maidenhead - Bourne End

Windsor Central
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376351/32161/13]
Posted by Mark A at 18:21, 23rd June 2026
 
The branch line train has expired. Disruption 'Until the end of the day'.

Mark

Marlow
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376350/27661/13]
Posted by Mark A at 18:19, 23rd June 2026
 
The donkey's broken down, poor creature.

Mark

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376349/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 17:57, 23rd June 2026
 
175004 to Exeter depot today.

Ely :3: 175005/008, 175104 (175008 is in two halves)

Wolverton :8 :  175102/103/105/106/107/108/109/110

Laira : 14: 175002/007/009, 175114 ex Ely; 175001/003/006/011, 175101/111/112/113/115/116 ex Wolverton

Exeter : 1 : 175004 ex Wolverton

Long Rock : 1 : 175010 ex Ely

as of 23 June 2026

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376348/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:52, 23rd June 2026
 
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376347/28556/25]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:24, 23rd June 2026
 
And another one in Cornwall falls over................

Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Due to a points failure between Par and Newquay all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:30 23/06.

........also caused the direct Newquay-Paddington service to be started from Plymouth.

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376346/31355/51]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 15:18, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, Mark A
 
Haven't seen this before - I guess it's not the first time: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/gwr-weather-20260622/
The extreme heat forecasted this week can lead to an increase in points failures. To reduce the risk of this, Network Rail are not moving some of these points to protect the key route into London.

Yes, it's nothing new and is part of the KRS discussed here yesterday:

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=31163.msg376248#msg376248

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376345/31355/51]
Posted by JohnM at 14:58, 23rd June 2026
 
Haven't seen this before - I guess it's not the first time: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/gwr-weather-20260622/
The extreme heat forecasted this week can lead to an increase in points failures. To reduce the risk of this, Network Rail are not moving some of these points to protect the key route into London.

Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [376344/25368/42]
Posted by Mark A at 14:36, 23rd June 2026
 
There's an impending 'Early engagement event' at Waterloo -for the future timetable - which was scheduled for Thursday 25th June but given the forecast it's been postponed to 1st July (16:00-20:00 on the concourse by the platform 10-11 gateline).

Mark

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376342/28556/25]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:41, 23rd June 2026
 
Customer Advice
As a result, the service is running hourly as opposed to the usual hourly service. All trains will continue to serve Perranwell.

huh?

Insert 'half'... 

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376341/28556/25]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:31, 23rd June 2026
 
Customer Advice
As a result, the service is running hourly as opposed to the usual hourly service. All trains will continue to serve Perranwell.

huh?

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376340/28556/25]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:13, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Mark A, eightonedee
 

Just the two branches nixed today.............

Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Dreadful grammar, does no one take O level (GCSE nowadays) in English anymore

Lines are blocked because more trains need repair, surely that should be nothing to do with a blockage, but depot can't cope with repairing trains allocated to it, so can't find any rolling stock.  Or does it mean a train has broken down blocking the line (and why all lines, not line, is there more than one)

Truro and Falmouth docks, again no explanation of why happens to between those stations, rather than other lines.   Also can be read as 1 of 2 trains isn't operating, so does that mean half fleet for that line is unrepaired.

Fewer trains are able to run on some lines, what does that mean, which lines, why are they unable rather than could if we had enough.

Homework mark about D+ for confused reasoning and inaccurate facts

Agreed, this style of messaging is incoherent and doesn't reflect well on the industry.

With the Looe branch, 150239 has been sent down on a VSTP schedule so the branch reopened with the 10:48 from Liskeard, so the first three trains ended up being cancelled.

As for the Falmouth branch, was this additional information for the Falmouth entry showing earlier today, but not quoted, TG?

Customer Advice
Due to a train fault, one of the trains we had planned to run the Truro to Falmouth Docks service is out of action, with a spare not immediately available.

As a result, the service is running hourly as opposed to the usual hourly service. All trains will continue to serve Perranwell.

Customers can, if they prefer, use their tickets on local buses. Details below.
Go Cornwall Bus route 32A: Falmouth (The Moor), Penryn, Truro (Bus Station), Truro (Station), Go Cornwall Bus route 33, 33A: Falmouth (The Moor), Penryn (Station), Redruth (Station) and Go Cornwall Bus route 36: Truro (Bus Station), Perranwell (Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376339/31355/51]
Posted by didcotdean at 11:00, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Puzzled by today's weather as the possibility of that downpour seems to have been missed by the forecasts. The satellite imagery of it shows that once it reached Bristol(ish) the cloud top expanded into a roughly circular patch covering a lot of south east England. It's the sort of event of which organisations much prefer to have advanced warning, perhaps the paid-for forecasts provided to and paid for by the likes of the railway included it.

Mark
The Met Office high resolution model UKV did show some potential for thunderstorms but the global models didn't have a sniff of them. Models specifically designed for thunderstorm potential also did reasonably well although those in the South East ended up a bit further north.

Re: Thunderstorms in the West Country - May and June 2026 - ongoing
In "Across the West" [376338/32078/26]
Posted by JohnM at 08:49, 23rd June 2026
 
We left Melksham for Downend (Bristol) yesterday evening at about 6.30, during the storm. It was chucking it down, with loads of water on the roads, and a small lake on the A4 just before the Bathford/Batheaston roundabout. There was a long queue coming the other way on the dual carriageway; there might have been something blocking the A363 down to Bradford as well.

Coming back just after 10.00 it was all clear.

Re: Thunderstorms in the West Country - May and June 2026 - ongoing
In "Across the West" [376337/32078/26]
Posted by Mark A at 08:35, 23rd June 2026
 
Overview from Bath from last night is that there were a lot of instances of flash flooding, often in places you'd not expect to see it - in the roads and roundabout at the top of Wellsway wouldn't be the first place that would come to mind as susceptible, and downhill roads then vulnerable to water flows, and where it was already damaged, removing the road surface. Also, instances of water escaping from overstretched drainage and then bursting road surfaces from beneath, and flooding of properties from the flash flooding on the roads and from roof drainage that blocked. Not a good evening to have a valley gutter. Fallen trees too including one that injured someone. I've not been out and about but I expect there's a lot of clearing up to be done. If the railways escaped then so much the better, this unforecasted event probed vulnerabilities and found more than a few.

Mark

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376336/28556/25]
Posted by Mark A at 08:25, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Andy
 
Agreed, this style of messaging is incoherent and doesn't reflect well on the industry.

Mark

 
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