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Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376409/32151/51]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 21:52, 24th June 2026
 

I really feel for the driver of the 810 though. They're always going to be left wondering if they could have done something differently.  That's a hard thought to shift.  
I'd thought that too. I would hope the final report will make clear that the 810's driver acted totally correctly.

On a separate point, the RAIB appear careful to say that the train passed a red signal, rather more neutral wording than referring to the driver passing it.  Not just semantics; the latter could be interpreted as assigning blame already when that is far from certain.

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376408/32162/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:36, 24th June 2026
 
When were those thunderstorms?

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376407/32151/51]
Posted by a-driver at 20:36, 24th June 2026
 
...  it could be a classic case of the Swiss Cheese Effect, ...

The SPAD should have been noted by the signalling system (and thence, the signaller). Is there a standard protocol to be followed by the signaller in such a case?

I don't know if they get an alarm in the signalling centre, but I've been in an area where another train passed a signal at danger and the signallers sent me an emergency stop message. I suspect the RAIB will look at the workload of the signallers covering Bedford. 

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376406/32151/51]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 20:31, 24th June 2026
 
...  it could be a classic case of the Swiss Cheese Effect, ...

The SPAD should have been noted by the signalling system (and thence, the signaller). Is there a standard protocol to be followed by the signaller in such a case?

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376405/32162/26]
Posted by MVR S&T at 20:20, 24th June 2026
 
Ahh, all explained why it is not raining at all in Somerset..

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376404/32162/26]
Posted by Electric train at 20:16, 24th June 2026
 
Its a good thing that this is fallow year for Glastonbury

Re: Marlow Branch line, Marlow Donkey - services, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376403/168/13]
Posted by Electric train at 20:14, 24th June 2026
 
This branch would be great for a class 398 if they can sort some wiring for the line and im sure a 398 will fit in both platforms at Bourne end

When I was still at work I had a number of visits to the West Ealing / Greenford trial, the GWR team were confident that the system could handle any of the TV branches, the Maidenhead / Marlow would only require the charge at Maidenhead, the unit on the Borne End / Marlow peak shuttles would not require charging.

Excellent: and market the service as the 'Electric donkey'. The sparks effect will have passenger numbers growing strongly, and people will be like 'Hi, Sparkydonks, how're you doing? Compared to the old train you're as regular as a quartz clock.'

Mark

Agreed a new train set, greener and quitter would be a good marketing, especially if the half hourly Maidenhead / Marlow through service was introduced at the same time.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376402/32151/51]
Posted by MVR S&T at 20:12, 24th June 2026
 
Reading the RAIB report, seems they have the video, as it on a separate recorder to the data.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376401/32151/51]
Posted by Electric train at 20:06, 24th June 2026
 
I'm surprised that little mention has been made that 1B67 was almost 20 late at the time, apologies if I've missed it, that in my view has to have some contribution to the incident.

That is one slice of the Swiss cheese a-driver mentioned.

The RAIB interim report states they were unable to access the OTDR of 1H46 until it had been lifted, the OTDR should have the information of the AWS and video images from the forward facing camera

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376400/32151/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:27, 24th June 2026
 
It still wouldn't have had any effect if it hadn't come to a stop (which is being investigated)

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376399/32151/51]
Posted by RailCornwall at 19:18, 24th June 2026
 
I'm surprised that little mention has been made that 1B67 was almost 20 late at the time, apologies if I've missed it, that in my view has to have some contribution to the incident.

Re: Marlow Branch line, Marlow Donkey - services, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376398/168/13]
Posted by Mark A at 19:17, 24th June 2026
 
Excellent: and market the service as the 'Electric donkey'. The sparks effect will have passenger numbers growing strongly, and people will be like 'Hi, Sparkydonks, how're you doing? Compared to the old train you're as regular as a quartz clock.'

Mark

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376397/32151/51]
Posted by a-driver at 19:14, 24th June 2026
 
Yes, the whole sequence of events was apparently started by a fault on AWS on the 810, if the 810 hadn't stopped on the fast line then it would have been long gone and crash wouldn't have happened.   So potentially AWS contributed  ...

I think it is just sadly ironic that the express stopped on the fast lines due to an AWS failure. After all, it was just doing its job and failing safe - for the express.

AWS could have contributed but ultimately its down to the driver to observe the signals and for some reason, he wasn't able to.  RAIB will find out why.  There's so many things that could have contributed,  it could be a classic case of the Swiss Cheese Effect, everything lined up to conspire against Sean.

I really feel for the driver of the 810 though. They're always going to be left wondering if they could have done something differently.  That's a hard thought to shift.  

Bath: Faresave and First bus stop alterations - evening of the 24th June.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [376396/32166/5]
Posted by Mark A at 19:10, 24th June 2026
 
After an abrupt structural issue with the High Street outside the Guildhall, the roads have been closed - buses are unable to serve the Orange Grove and Abbey stops.

Mark

https://www.bathecho.co.uk/news/es/cordon-city-centre-minor-explosion-underground-118420/

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376395/32151/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:07, 24th June 2026
 
TPWS is only fitted to about 42% of all signals, I understand & is being quoted by various S&T folk on X. To fit TPWS on all the others will cost £billions? It isn't fitted on signals 152 & 154 as they are automatic.

I'd like to understand where on the track (how far back from impact site) 9 seconds is at 49mph - 215 yards? Now is 215 yards before, at or after the red signal? In other words, was seeing the red signal the signal to the driver to apply the brakes or seeing the rear of the 810 more likely the trigger? Waiting for RAIB of course

Re: Marlow Branch line, Marlow Donkey - services, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376394/168/13]
Posted by anthony215 at 19:00, 24th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
This branch would be great for a class 398 if they can sort some wiring for the line and im sure a 398 will fit in both platforms at Bourne end

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376393/32151/51]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 18:55, 24th June 2026
 
Yes, the whole sequence of events was apparently started by a fault on AWS on the 810, if the 810 hadn't stopped on the fast line then it would have been long gone and crash wouldn't have happened.   So potentially AWS contributed  ...

I think it is just sadly ironic that the express stopped on the fast lines due to an AWS failure. After all, it was just doing its job and failing safe - for the express.

Re: Cardiff Bay Station branch
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [376392/26486/23]
Posted by anthony215 at 18:52, 24th June 2026
Already liked by IndustryInsider
 
Yesterday morning saw the first class 398 tram-train enter service on the 0655 Pontypridd to Cardiff Bay service.  389028 did the honours. Plan is now teh 398 will start the 0655 from.Pontypridd and work the diagram until 1300 then go's to depot and is replaced by a class 150 which sits in the bay at Pontypridd.

Had my.go this morning  found air con works better at either end of the unit not so great in the middle.
Acceleration is very good and door cycles is better than the 756s. Passengers like them especially the disabled and those with pushchairs. 

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376391/32151/51]
Posted by John D at 18:29, 24th June 2026
 

"TPWS has been installed throughout much of Britain’s rail network. Unfortunately, TPWS had not been installed here. If TPWS had been installed, this accident would not have happened, the driver would not have died and no passengers would have been injured"


TPWS isn’t fitted to all signals, generally only to high risk signals.

Maybe this might be a recommendation of the RAIB given the known risk of crossovers.

Let's see.  I do think that ASLEF are treating it as certain the TPWS would have prevented the accident.  It probably would - almost certainly maybe, but I don't see how they can be dogmatic.

TPWS would have prevented it, but there’s also other questions needing answers, all or some of which could have contributed to the incident or even prevented it.   The full RAIB report will answer those.  You can’t pin the whole incident on a lack of TPWS. 
Yes, the whole sequence of events was apparently started by a fault on AWS on the 810, if the 810 hadn't stopped on the fast line then it would have been long gone and crash wouldn't have happened.   So potentially AWS contributed

But it's for RAIB to determine risks and recommend anything that might need to change.

Re: Musings from Italy ...
In "Introductions and chat" [376390/32165/1]
Posted by Mark A at 18:02, 24th June 2026
 
***snip***

We have just left Catanzano Lido - 11:45 (54 minutes late!) and following a diversion back and forth across the foot of Italy because the direct line along the sole close is closed for engineering until the end of this month.  And we have just passed through Catanzano 'itself' with a narrow gauge connection, a station in the process of being rebuilt, and few passengers to seen around.  In many parts I get the feeling of their being more staff than passengers but that might to some extent be because I'm choosing truly off-peak (I don't know when the peak might be!)

Tied myself in knots trying to follow your route on maps. Not to worry, the satellite view does you're traversing an area with a lot of reconstruction at that point. Catanzano in particular is most tortuous as it seems to be a town where generations of rail (and road) engineers have left their marks.

Mark

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376389/31359/18]
Posted by JohnM at 18:02, 24th June 2026
 
The 17:45 Swindon - Westbury has also been cancelled (fault on the train).

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376388/32151/51]
Posted by a-driver at 17:36, 24th June 2026
 

"TPWS has been installed throughout much of Britain’s rail network. Unfortunately, TPWS had not been installed here. If TPWS had been installed, this accident would not have happened, the driver would not have died and no passengers would have been injured"


TPWS isn’t fitted to all signals, generally only to high risk signals.

Maybe this might be a recommendation of the RAIB given the known risk of crossovers.

Let's see.  I do think that ASLEF are treating it as certain the TPWS would have prevented the accident.  It probably would - almost certainly maybe, but I don't see how they can be dogmatic.

TPWS would have prevented it, but there’s also other questions needing answers, all or some of which could have contributed to the incident or even prevented it.   The full RAIB report will answer those.  You can’t pin the whole incident on a lack of TPWS. 

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376387/32151/51]
Posted by grahame at 17:13, 24th June 2026
 

"TPWS has been installed throughout much of Britain’s rail network. Unfortunately, TPWS had not been installed here. If TPWS had been installed, this accident would not have happened, the driver would not have died and no passengers would have been injured"


TPWS isn’t fitted to all signals, generally only to high risk signals.

Maybe this might be a recommendation of the RAIB given the known risk of crossovers.

Let's see.  I do think that ASLEF are treating it as certain the TPWS would have prevented the accident.  It probably would - almost certainly maybe, but I don't see how they can be dogmatic.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376386/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:07, 24th June 2026
 
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06
17:45 Swindon to Westbury due 18:26
18:37 Westbury to Swindon due 19:21
20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56
21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12

22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376385/32149/40]
Posted by Sixty3Closure at 17:01, 24th June 2026
 
As Mayor he was quite into devolution for the English regions. Moving funding and policy away from the centre which would probably be good for some areas. I suspect though once he's in power that will all be quietly forgotten as it means given up control.


Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376384/32151/51]
Posted by a-driver at 16:29, 24th June 2026
 

"TPWS has been installed throughout much of Britain’s rail network. Unfortunately, TPWS had not been installed here. If TPWS had been installed, this accident would not have happened, the driver would not have died and no passengers would have been injured"


TPWS isn’t fitted to all signals, generally only to high risk signals.

Maybe this might be a recommendation of the RAIB given the known risk of crossovers.

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376383/32162/26]
Posted by JohnM at 16:03, 24th June 2026
 
Ever so slightly sarcastic piece in the Daily Mash
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/britains-invincible-rail-networks-finally-defeated-by-heatwave-20260624267316
The indestructible train network that has made Britain famous since the days of Empire has finally been undone by today’s terrible heat.

The UK’s ever-reliable rail infrastructure and punctual rolling stock, which since Queen Victoria’s day has not lost so much as a second’s time in a century, has at last succumbed to the punishing temperature blanketing the country.

Commuter Martin Bishop said: “Mark this day, for at last we see the end of Britain’s era as a world power. The sun has set upon our greatness. The trains are late.

“Indeed, some are not only late but cancelled. For the first time in memory and the annals of history, a passenger may arrive at the station to find his service not running at all.

“Climate change we may disregard. The true tragedy here is that the last bastion of British prestige has crumbled. With no incumbent James Bond, Doctor Who or prime minister, our stalwart trains were all we had left.”

Fellow passenger Nikki Hollis said: “This is an omen comparable to the ravens leaving the Tower of London. If our dependable rail networks have fallen then it’s only a matter of time before these isles sink beneath the waves of the Atlantic.

“I know you’re thinking surely not Southern Rail? Surely their stalwart lines are still running with their renowned clockwork efficiency? Sadly, despite offering excellent value for money, even them.”

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376382/32151/51]
Posted by ray951 at 15:49, 24th June 2026
 
No specific mention of TPWS in the RAIB initial report; possibly something they will look into in some detail if the area is fitted with TPWS

According to a statement put out by ASLEF, TPWS is not fitted in this area. https://x.com/ASLEFunion/status/2069752887970763214?s=20

"TPWS has been installed throughout much of Britain’s rail network. Unfortunately, TPWS had not been installed here. If TPWS had been installed, this accident would not have happened, the driver would not have died and no passengers would have been injured"

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376381/32162/26]
Posted by Trowres at 15:23, 24th June 2026
 
It would have been helpful if public-facing information systems had given a fullsummary of the cancellations planned.

For example, all the Bristol-Salisbury services seem to be planned cancellations, but they don't appear on gwr.com or Journeycheck.com (or at least, not where I've searched for them.

Oh yeah, it's covered by "cancellations on all routes". Not very helpful and, one might observe, not all routes are equal when cancellations are decided.

Re: Marlow Branch line, Marlow Donkey - services, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376380/168/13]
Posted by Electric train at 14:54, 24th June 2026
 
24th. Ded again.

Mark

I think the service Maidenhead - Bourne End was suspended during the day, the GWR website says it resumes at 15:00, just in time for the zoo express ............. errr I mean the school chucking out time and then evening commute.  The Donkey I suspect will be left out to pasture

 
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