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Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [377499/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:34, 28th July 2026
 
Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

Due to the fire alarm sounding at a station at Slough all lines are closed. Disruption is expected until 19:30 28/07.

Train services between Slough and Reading may be cancelled or delayed.

Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

Due to the fire alarm sounding at a station at Slough all lines are closed. Disruption is expected until 19:30 28/07.

Train services between Slough and London Paddington may be cancelled or delayed.

Re: Eurostar - merged posts, ongoing discussion topic
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377498/26929/52]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 17:49, 28th July 2026
 
Seems odd really when Antwerp is only 50km or so from Brussels and there are plentiful HS services along that route - perhaps testing the waters or trying to keep the competition at bay.

One of the comments made in the article linked by GBM gave a very plausible thought on this. It could be to relieve platform utilisation at Brussels Midi, and (less) perhaps, to command a premium Antwerp-Brussels service on its return trip to the secure departure platforms at Brussels.

Re: West of England Line - Soil Moisture Deficit Update - 10 October 2025
In "South Western services" [377497/30889/42]
Posted by grahame at 17:47, 28th July 2026
 
Due next week, I understand. Timetable similar to last time, but speeded up by 30mins end-to-end, I'm hearing

Good afternoon,
 
Temporary Timetable Changes on the West of England Line from Monday 10 August
 
We are writing to inform you that South Western Railway (SWR) and Network Rail Wessex will introduce a temporary revised timetable on the West of England line between London Waterloo and Exeter St Davids from Monday 10 August until further notice.
 
Following record-breaking temperatures and prolonged low rainfall, clay embankments supporting the railway between Salisbury and Exeter are drying out, affecting the stability of the track.
 
To keep customers safe, trains will run at reduced speeds between Tisbury in Wiltshire to Honiton in Devon, a 60-mile stretch of largely single-track railway which is particularly vulnerable to drought-like conditions. 
 
With only six passing loops where trains can pass each other on the single-track, fewer services can run while these speed restrictions are in place. The temporary timetable limits further disruption and delays while providing a safe and reliable service for customers.
 
Service levels from Monday 10 August
 
From Monday 10 August, until further notice:
Services between London Waterloo and Salisbury will continue to run every 30 minutes
One train per hour will run between London Waterloo and Yeovil Junction
Every other hour, the London Waterloo service will extend to run to and from Exeter St Davids
Most journeys from London Waterloo to Yeovil Junction will take three minutes longer than usual, with journeys from Yeovil Junction to London Waterloo taking 13 minutes longer than usual
Most journeys from London Waterloo to Exeter St Davids will take up to 24 minutes longer than usual, with journeys from Exeter St Davids to London Waterloo taking 27 minutes longer than usual
 
Customer information
Journey planners will be updated ahead of the timetable changes. Customers are advised to check their journeys carefully and allow extra time to complete their journeys. See below a link to our Plan My Journey Page:
 
www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey
 
Since last year, SWR and NR Wessex have continuously monitored more than 30 sites between Salisbury and Exeter and strengthened the line by carrying out extensive tamping work, installing 5,000 tonnes of new ballast, and removing over 200 dead and diseased trees that suck in moisture and could further destabilise embankments.
 
SWR and NR Wessex are also working with the University of Southampton to develop longer-term measures to improve the resilience of the West of England line to the effects of climate change and extreme weather.
 
Click here for more information on Soil Moisture Deficit and how extreme hot weather impacts the railway here.
 
SWR and Network Rail will continue to monitor conditions closely and will restore normal service levels as soon as it is safe and operationally possible to do so.
 
We will continue to keep you updated as this progresses. We will shortly issue a press release to inform passengers, local communities and stakeholders. Please find a copy below for your reference.
 
Press Release: Temporary timetable changes to West of England line from Monday 10 August
 
From Monday 10 August, trains between Yeovil Junction and Exeter will be reduced to one every two hours
An amended timetable is being introduced to keep customers moving safely while speed restrictions are in place following prolonged extreme hot, dry weather that has affected track across the route
Customers are still able to travel between London Waterloo and Exeter St Davids, but are advised to allow extra time to complete their journeys
 
SOUTH Western Railway (SWR) and Network Rail Wessex (NR Wessex) will introduce a temporary timetable on the West of England line between London Waterloo and Exeter St Davids from Monday 10 August.
 
Following record-breaking temperatures and prolonged low rainfall, clay embankments supporting the railway between Salisbury and Exeter are drying out, affecting the stability of the track.
 
To keep customers safe, trains will run at reduced speeds between Tisbury in Wiltshire and Honiton in Devon, a 60-mile stretch of largely single-track railway which is particularly vulnerable to drought-like conditions.
 
With only six passing loops where trains can pass each other on the single-track, fewer services can run while these speed restrictions are in place. The temporary timetable limits further disruption and delays while providing a safe and reliable service for customers.
 
From Monday 10 August, until further notice:
Services between London Waterloo and Salisbury will continue to run every 30 minutes
One train per hour will run between London Waterloo and Yeovil Junction
Every other hour, the London Waterloo service will extend to run to and from Exeter St Davids
Most journeys from London Waterloo to Yeovil Junction will take three minutes longer than usual, with journeys from Yeovil Junction to London Waterloo taking 13 minutes longer than usual
Most journeys from London Waterloo to Exeter St Davids will take up to 24 minutes longer than usual, with journeys from Exeter St Davids to London Waterloo taking 27 minutes longer than usual
 
Journey planners will be updated ahead of the timetable changes. Customers are advised to check their journeys carefully and allow extra time to complete their journeys.
 
Lawrence Bowman, Managing Director of South Western Railway and Network Rail Wessex, said:
 
“The record-breaking heat of the last few months has had a significant impact on railways across the UK, and parts of our route are particularly vulnerable.
 
“Extreme weather events are becoming increasingly common, and this is the second year in a row that prolonged hot, dry weather has affected our network.
 
“Since last summer’s intervention, we’ve invested in strengthening the route, carried out extensive work to the track and embankments, and developed a plan that customers can rely on.
 
“As a result of that careful planning, we've managed to reduce journey times in our amended timetable by around 30 minutes compared to last year, minimising the impact on our customers while also keeping them safe.
 
“We are sorry for the disruption these changes may cause. We will restore the regular timetable as soon as conditions allow.”
 
Since last year, SWR and NR Wessex have continuously monitored more than 30 sites between Salisbury and Exeter, and strengthened the line by carrying out extensive tamping work, installing 5,000 tonnes of new ballast, and removing over 200 dead and diseased trees that suck in moisture and could further destabilise embankments.
 
SWR and NR Wessex are also working with the University of Southampton to develop longer-term measures to improve the resilience of the West of England line to the effects of climate change and extreme weather.
 
Notes to Editors
Click here for more information on Soil Moisture Deficit and how extreme hot weather impacts the railway here.
 
Spring 2026 was the warmest on record in England and Wales, with well below average rainfall. In June, the Met Office issued a Red Warning for Extreme Heat for an unprecedented three days in a row. 35C has been recorded in three consecutive months (May, June and July) for the first time, and large parts of England have so far recorded 0% of the expected rainfall in July.
 
In 2025, speed restrictions forced trains to travel at 40mph, down from 85mph, on some sections of track between Salisbury and Exeter St Davids. This year, speeds will be restricted to 50mph down from 85mph between Tisbury and Honiton.
 

Re: Rail passenger numbers and crowding published
In "Across the West" [377496/32283/26]
Posted by eightonedee at 17:36, 28th July 2026
 
Elizabeth Line?

But Reading was no.3 in 2017, five years before the Elizabeth Line opened. These figures are also for arrivals, so the new services replaced a previous GWR service from places that also had direct services.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377495/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:19, 28th July 2026
 
17:45 Swindon to Westbury due 18:26
 
17:45 Swindon to Westbury due 18:26 will be cancelled.
This is due to a points failure.

and

Following a points failure between Bath Spa and Westbury some lines have now reopened. Disruption is expected until 18:00 28/07.

Train services between Swindon and Westbury via Melksham will be cancelled, delayed or revised.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [377494/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:22, 28th July 2026
 
Delays to services between Theale and Reading West

Due to a safety inspection of the track between Theale and Reading West trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading.

Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:15 28/07.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377493/31359/18]
Posted by Trowres at 16:22, 28th July 2026
 
Lines have reopened around 16:00

First trains are the 1F20 Portsmouth-Cardiff, which was held at Westbury until 15:59; now about 44 minutes late.
Southbound, 6S83 Avonmouth-West Drayton stone train
First southbound passenger, the 2F14 Bristol-Warminster, departed Temple Meads at 16:04.

... and an Appleford-Whatley freight is heading down the Melksham Line.

The 1604 Westbury-Portsmouth has been un-cancelled at short notice.

The 1623 Westbury-Swindon and return still showing as cancelled. I wonder where the stock for the Melksham services went?


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377492/31359/18]
Posted by Trowres at 15:05, 28th July 2026
 
The information on Journeycheck and National Rail has been a bit vague about the problem. Originally points failure "east of Bath" and then "near Bradford on Avon".

The last trains * through Bradford Jn seem to have been:
Swindon-Westbury passing at 09:16
Bristol-Warminster passing at 09:24
The Portsmouth-Cardiff arrived Trowbridge 09:20 but was terminated there. (Where the stock went after that I have no idea).

* However, there was a 1Z73 Westbury-Bristol via Melksham and Chippenham that passed Bradford Jn at 10:56. It was booked to call only at Chippenham and Bath. This appears to have been the IET that formed the 1J73 Paddington-Westbury.

Re: Can I Break My Journey at Weston-super-Mare?
In "Fare's Fair" [377491/32282/4]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 12:58, 28th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
[snip]  ... Note that if you travel outbound on a via Taunton ticket, you need to come back the same way - you can't drop back to the cheaper route via Trowbridge.

The Man in Seat 61 gives an example that appears to cover this with a journey between Reading and Exeter(?) for which there are only two routes given - via Taunton or via Honiton (there is no 'via any permitted route') - one is more expensive than the other - can't remember which. Having bought the most expensive route return, when travelling back via the cheaper route and not via that place on the ticket, he suggests that the passenger asks for an excess fare ticket to be issued, and the person issuing it would find that its price is zero.

Re: West of England Line - Soil Moisture Deficit Update - 10 October 2025
In "South Western services" [377490/30889/42]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:54, 28th July 2026
 
Due next week, I understand. Timetable similar to last time, but speeded up by 30mins end-to-end, I'm hearing

Re: West of England Line - Soil Moisture Deficit Update - 10 October 2025
In "South Western services" [377489/30889/42]
Posted by Mark A at 12:52, 28th July 2026
 
Announcement incoming: "Rail disruption fears (on the SWR main line) after track soil shrinkage"

Mark

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0km34jdeezo

Re: Rail passenger numbers and crowding published
In "Across the West" [377488/32283/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:28, 28th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Elizabeth Line?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377487/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:12, 28th July 2026
 
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Swindon

Due to a points failure between Westbury and Swindon some lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
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What has happened?
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We've had reports of a points failure in the Bradford-on-Avon area. The line between Swindon to Westbury will be suspended until further notice.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377486/31359/18]
Posted by bobm at 12:06, 28th July 2026
 
12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 13:05

12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 13:05 will be cancelled.

This is due to a points failure.

13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57

13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57 will be cancelled.

This is due to a points failure.

14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:01

14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:01 will be cancelled.

This is due to a points failure.

15:14 Swindon to Westbury due 15:58

15:14 Swindon to Westbury due 15:58 will be cancelled.

This is due to a points failure.


Re: Rail passenger numbers and crowding published
In "Across the West" [377485/32283/26]
Posted by eightonedee at 11:59, 28th July 2026
 
Thanks John D.

One really striking feature of the figures (apart from the change in the list of stations in 2017) is how many passengers arrive in Reading. From 2017 (when it first appears) to the pandemic, it is third behind Birmingham (first) and Manchester (second) in the number of arrivals, but after the pandemic it overtook Manchester and even has more arrivals at peak times than Birmingham in 2025.

Was the completion of the final phase of the current Manchester tram system in 2020 partly responsible?

 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377484/31359/18]
Posted by bobm at 11:51, 28th July 2026
 
There seem to have been some issues with the display of GWR allocations today.   There was a Taunton to London Paddington service this morning shown on the app and on RTT as 18 coaches.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377483/31359/18]
Posted by John D at 11:40, 28th July 2026
 
09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:30

09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:30 will be cancelled.

This is due to a points failure.

10:34 Swindon to Westbury due 11:21

10:34 Swindon to Westbury due 11:21 will be cancelled.

This is due to a points failure.

Real time trains is showing trains at Bradford on Avon cancelled, for at least 3 hours after 09:18,

first train currently is 12:24 (Portsmouth-Cardiff) operated by a pathetic 2car 158 (3 trains worth of passengers on a 2car, GWR are mad)

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377482/31359/18]
Posted by bobm at 10:28, 28th July 2026
 
09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:30

09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:30 will be cancelled.

This is due to a points failure.

10:34 Swindon to Westbury due 11:21

10:34 Swindon to Westbury due 11:21 will be cancelled.

This is due to a points failure.

Rail passenger numbers and crowding published
In "Across the West" [377481/32283/26]
Posted by John D at 09:56, 28th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Witham Bobby, eightonedee, Fourbee
 
New figures just released (haven't read them all yet)

But have spotted in section 5.3 that Bristol has highest PiXC (passengers in excess of capacity)

Rather proves Bristol rail in peaks is struggling, and so far this year not really done anything about transferring in extra stock

section 4.2 says peak passenger numbers at Paddington grew 6% in a year, 7% increase in off peak in a year

Section 5.4 has the busiest services (into cities when surveyed, so could excludes things like Portsmouth-Cardiff when 2coach set is used), South West trains has 4 of 10.   The third busiest nationally is a Bridgend to Rhymney train !

Section 6 says 13% of long distance services are in excess of capacity

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rail-passenger-numbers-and-crowding-on-weekdays-in-major-cities-in-england-and-wales-2025/rail-passenger-numbers-and-crowding-on-weekdays-in-major-cities-in-england-and-wales-2025



Re: Can I Break My Journey at Weston-super-Mare?
In "Fare's Fair" [377480/32282/4]
Posted by Mark A at 07:39, 28th July 2026
 
An off-peak return from Pewsey to Weston-Super-Mare costs an eye-watering £103.60
...

Not as cheap as going via Bristol, but I note that the following fares for Newbury-WSM via Taunton are available:
Off-peak return £82.80 valid 09:15 and later from Newbury.
Super Off-peak return: £63.00 valid 10:30 and later from Newbury,

Break of journey is allowed in both directions for these tickets. Perhaps someone would confirm that this permits the train to be boarded at Pewsey?


To my knowledge, yes, that's allowed.

There are no fewer than 3 off peak return fares Newbury to Weston-super-mare.   Cheapest via Trowbridge, then via Taunton, then not via London.   Note that if you travel outbound on a via Taunton ticket, you need to come back the same way - you can't drop back to the cheaper route via Trowbridge.

If the route taken on the outbound trip constrains the passenger as to the choice of route on the return, doesn't that rather conflicts with the following?

"And that fare should then be accepted by any route that will get you there next; it should not be the customers' concern than the rail industry sends them a long way round because there is no appropriate direct or connecting train"

Thinking of my occasional day trips from Bath to the likes of Stroud, Gloucester, or Cheltenham, it was the case that staff were relaxed about the route taken (via Bristol or Swindon) as it's either one or the other would provide the fastest service. Lately I recall that it's the ticketing system that's become more prescriptive while staff on the ground are still pragmatic about this.

Mark

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377479/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 07:29, 28th July 2026
 
07:45 Westbury to Swindon due 08:34
08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:26
09:45 Westbury to Swindon due 10:30
10:34 Swindon to Westbury due 11:21
12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 13:05
13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:01
15:14 Swindon to Westbury due 15:58
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06
17:45 Swindon to Westbury due 18:26
18:37 Westbury to Swindon due 19:21
20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56
21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12

Facilities on the 22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12.
Disabled toilet facilities are not available.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Can I Break My Journey at Weston-super-Mare?
In "Fare's Fair" [377478/32282/4]
Posted by grahame at 05:48, 28th July 2026
 
An off-peak return from Pewsey to Weston-Super-Mare costs an eye-watering £103.60
...

Not as cheap as going via Bristol, but I note that the following fares for Newbury-WSM via Taunton are available:
Off-peak return £82.80 valid 09:15 and later from Newbury.
Super Off-peak return: £63.00 valid 10:30 and later from Newbury,

Break of journey is allowed in both directions for these tickets. Perhaps someone would confirm that this permits the train to be boarded at Pewsey?


To my knowledge, yes, that's allowed.

There are no fewer than 3 off peak return fares Newbury to Weston-super-mare.   Cheapest via Trowbridge, then via Taunton, then not via London.   Note that if you travel outbound on a via Taunton ticket, you need to come back the same way - you can't drop back to the cheaper route via Trowbridge.

Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377477/32275/1]
Posted by grahame at 05:37, 28th July 2026
 
Completing the answers ...

1 Kolobrzeg
2 Vienenberg
3 Wernigerode Westerntor
4 Halle
5 Eisfelder Talmühle
6 Drei Annen Hohne
7 Berlin Hbf
8 Pasewalk
9 Hotel Altora dining room, Wernigerode

We took yesterday R&R - onward today ...

Re: Can I Break My Journey at Weston-super-Mare?
In "Fare's Fair" [377476/32282/4]
Posted by Trowres at 00:02, 28th July 2026
 
An off-peak return from Pewsey to Weston-Super-Mare costs an eye-watering £103.60
...

Not as cheap as going via Bristol, but I note that the following fares for Newbury-WSM via Taunton are available:
Off-peak return £82.80 valid 09:15 and later from Newbury.
Super Off-peak return: £63.00 valid 10:30 and later from Newbury,

Break of journey is allowed in both directions for these tickets. Perhaps someone would confirm that this permits the train to be boarded at Pewsey?

Re: Eurostar - merged posts, ongoing discussion topic
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377475/26929/52]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 23:34, 27th July 2026
Already liked by grahame, Mark A
 
Seems odd really when Antwerp is only 50km or so from Brussels and there are plentiful HS services along that route - perhaps testing the waters or trying to keep the competition at bay.

The Eurostar trains slow right down as they go through Antwerp Central anyway ... and remember that you loose a significant proportion of customers travelling from C to A if you make them changes at B - and not just crossplatform along the way.

...and it's a big old place.  Just a smidge less than populations of Manchester, Sheffield, and Cornwall according to Wikipedia.

Re: Eurostar - merged posts, ongoing discussion topic
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377474/26929/52]
Posted by grahame at 21:53, 27th July 2026
 
Seems odd really when Antwerp is only 50km or so from Brussels and there are plentiful HS services along that route - perhaps testing the waters or trying to keep the competition at bay.

The Eurostar trains slow right down as they go through Antwerp Central anyway ... and remember that you loose a significant proportion of customers travelling from C to A if you make them changes at B - and not just crossplatform along the way.

Re: Can I Break My Journey at Weston-super-Mare?
In "Fare's Fair" [377473/32282/4]
Posted by grahame at 21:49, 27th July 2026
Already liked by eightonedee, Mark A
 
All fares ought to be the same for recognised routings....based on one metric (miles per £1 maybe?)

Indeed - for the shortest routing.  And that fare should then be accepted by any route that will get you there next; it should not be the customers' concern than the rail industry sends them a long way round because there is no appropriate direct or connecting train

Re: Eurostar - merged posts, ongoing discussion topic
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377472/26929/52]
Posted by Noggin at 21:46, 27th July 2026
 
Not sure they'll stop on the return though? (Are they going to add a full border post there?)

All the reports I have seen state that there will not be an Antwerp stop in the opposite direction and changing trains at Brussels, to complete immigration checks, will be required.

Indeed.  Perhaps in a parallel universe, the UK would have been a part of the Schengen zone (and indeed remained in the EU) and travel from Belgium to the UK would have been as easy as crossing the German - Poland border which I think we have done 4 times in the last few days.   I say "I think" - I know we did it twice on the train, but I think that the rail replacement bus from Goerlitz to Zittau took us from Germany into Poland and back into Germany again.

Seems odd really when Antwerp is only 50km or so from Brussels and there are plentiful HS services along that route - perhaps testing the waters or trying to keep the competition at bay.

Re: Can I Break My Journey at Weston-super-Mare?
In "Fare's Fair" [377471/32282/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:22, 27th July 2026
 
All fares ought to be the same for recognised routings....based on one metric (miles per £1 maybe?)

Re: Can I Break My Journey at Weston-super-Mare?
In "Fare's Fair" [377470/32282/4]
Posted by grahame at 21:17, 27th July 2026
Already liked by hoover50
 
well, it's done on shortest, not quickest....shortest always valid

In my view, it should be done on both, and earliest arrival is the most important.  Customers are most concerned about how long a journey takes / how quickly that can get there, not how many miles the rail industry choses to take them to achieve that.

Here's another example - Chippenham to Southampton Central.   The shortest route is taken by the 06:19 getting you there at 08:09 ... the next train via that route at 08:59 with a change and getting you to Southampton at 11:03.



Why should customer have to pay a higher fare for a longer distance because of the very thin services provided on the most direct line?

 
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