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Re: 19th Advent Quiz - Old Pictures - where are they?
In "The Lighter Side" [369838/31292/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 13:03, 20th December 2025
 
No.9 Carnforth ?..

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369837/24934/26]
Posted by GBM at 12:36, 20th December 2025
 
09:11 Penzance to London Paddington due 14:29
09:11 Penzance to London Paddington due 14:29 was started from Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Penzance, St Erth, Hayle, Camborne, Redruth, Truro, St Austell, Par, Bodmin Parkway and Liskeard.
This is due to animals on the railway earlier today.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. Service full and standing. There are no reservations on this service.

Re: Naming of gritter lorries
In "The Lighter Side" [369836/31298/30]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:33, 20th December 2025
 
Wiltshire




Re: Cornish delays
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [369835/28556/25]
Posted by GBM at 12:32, 20th December 2025
 
Our son was on the 0710 from Pz.
Noted the increasing delay in getting to St Erth.
He said it was cows on the line and we were going to be late.

He said an announcement went out for aid activation.
Any ideas what that was?

Terminated at Plymouth.
Then on to a full and standing 1115 from Ply to Paddington with 5 cars only.
This was originally bound for Pz from EXD but terminated short at Ply.

Re: 19th Advent Quiz - Old Pictures - where are they?
In "The Lighter Side" [369834/31292/30]
Posted by grahame at 12:23, 20th December 2025
 
All these correst - two outstanding

1. Fort William - brooklea
2.
3. Gloucester Eastgate - Prestbury Road
4. Garsdale - Oxonhutch
5. Carmarthen - RobT
6. Ickenham - stuving
7. Birmingham New Street - Mark A
8. Templecombe Upper - bradshaw
9.
10. Eastleigh - John D

2.



9.


Re: Cornish delays
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [369833/28556/25]
Posted by GBM at 12:22, 20th December 2025
 
Major problems with cows on the line between Marazion and St Erth.
07:10 Penzance to London Paddington due 12:29
07:10 Penzance to London Paddington due 12:29 will be terminated at Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Totnes, Newton Abbot, Exeter St Davids, Tiverton Parkway, Taunton, Reading and London Paddington.
It has been delayed at St Erth and is now 86 minutes late.
This is due to animals on the railway.

09:11 Penzance to London Paddington due 14:29
09:11 Penzance to London Paddington due 14:29 was started from Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Penzance, St Erth, Hayle, Camborne, Redruth, Truro, St Austell, Par, Bodmin Parkway and Liskeard.
This is due to animals on the railway earlier today.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. Service full and standing. There are no reservations on this service.

Re: Contactless - not always the cheapest
In "Fare's Fair" [369832/31297/4]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:11, 20th December 2025
 
Because of my Senior Railcard, I always used Oyster within London - the two are manually linked every year. My bank card can never know about my Railcard and I would always be charged the non-discounted fare.

Likewise, but it seems to get more & more difficult to find somewhere/someone to do the manual linking when you get a new Railcard. When you do find somewhere - you are in queue behind 25 non-English speaking tourists trying to buy paper tickets.

Re: What is happening at Dilton Marsh? Key service reduction!
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [369831/31284/20]
Posted by grahame at 12:05, 20th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Western Pathfinder
 
Curiouser and curiouser - the new (December 2025 to May 2026) timetable displayed at Dilton Marsh includes the train



Let me zoom in on that



And my correspondent writes :

This withdrawn train that GWR seem to want to pretend is still running for Dilton Marsh passengers, used to be fairly well used with people getting on and off the train. This included schoolchildren who attended schools in Salisbury and Warminster, on occasions who had after school activities, plus people who worked in Warminster and those joining at Dilton Marsh who worked night shifts in Bristol. Friday evenings were often busy: in fact on one Friday, the driver was warned by the signaller to approach Dilton Marsh at caution because of the number of passengers on the platform.

I have also noticed that when trains have been cancelled, admittedly sometimes because of things outside GWR's control, this has made "return" services more lightly loaded which I suspect isn't coincidence. For example, a couple of weeks ago, the morning / lunchtime trains were all cancelled from Dilton Marsh, trains that are normally busy at Dilton Marsh, because of a fallen tree in the Avon Valley. [redacted] .... I walked to Westbury for my outward journey but I think I was pretty unique in this.  The train I caught home, 1743 from Bristol, which normally has double figures of people getting off at Dilton Marsh, only had me getting off which I've never seen before on.

It has been suggested that in place of this train, GWR might like to stop the Portsmouth-Cardiff service that runs prior at Dilton Marsh - which (it is suggested) very often has to wait for a platform at Westbury and so may as well stop at DMH rather than in the countryside just outside Westbury.



Re: Naming of gritter lorries
In "The Lighter Side" [369830/31298/30]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:01, 20th December 2025
Already liked by Clan Line, GBM
 
From Oxfordshire County Council

Famous Oxfordshire figures inspire names for county’s fleet of gritters

Radiospread, Alfred the Grit, Sir Winston Chur-chill, Agatha Gritstie, Inspector Norse, Prof Stephen Thawking and Sir Roger Ban-ice-ster among those chosen

Oxfordshire leaders, writers, scientists, musicians, locations and sports stars have helped inspire some pun-tastic names for the county’s fleet of gritters.

Earlier this year, Oxfordshire County Council and its highways maintenance contractor M Group announced a competition to name the 30 gritting lorries that ensure that the county’s roads keep moving and stay safe when the cold weather hits. Nearly 1,500 suggestions were received.

Wartime Prime Minister Sir Winston Chur-chill and his Woodstock birthplace of Blenheim Pal-ice made the cut, along with Wantage-born King Alfred the Grit.

People would be right to suspect that Wallingford’s queen of the whodunnits Agatha Gritstie was a popular choice, while Oxford’s most famous fictional detective Endeavour Morse has been immortalised as Inspector Norse. The late actor who played him, the appropriately named John Thaw, was also chosen.

There will be no surprises that local rock legends Radiohead – fresh from their sell-out comeback tour – had a vehicle, Radiospread, named after them.

Sir Roger Ban-ice-ster, who broke the four minute mile barrier at Oxford’s Iffley Road running track in 1954, was a worthy recipient, along with the late footballer Joey Beauchamp – regarded by many as the greatest player in Oxford United’s history. Snowy Beauchamp was chosen to honour him.

Groundbreaking Oxford-born cosmologist Professor Stephen Thawking and Snowdo Baggins – named after Frodo Baggins, a character in Oxford don JRR Tolkien’s The Hobbit – made the grade.

Oxfordshire landmarks Shotover Hill and the Wittenham Clumps – aka Shotover Chill and Grittenham Clumps – were also among the successful public suggestions.

The process followed the appeal in October, which put an emphasis on names with local significance, inspired by Oxfordshire’s rich history and cultural importance.

A shortlist was compiled from the 1,480 suggestions received, with the gritter drivers themselves choosing the winners.

Listeners to the BBC Radio Oxford Breakfast Show took part as well, coming up with three of the names.

Pupils from the schools closest to the council’s depots where the gritters and salt barns are based – Woodcote Primary, Deddington CE Primary and Drayton Community Primary – also chose three names each. The children will get the chance to meet their gritters later this winter.

Two vehicles were named in tribute to gritter drivers and supervisors who died recently, while Blizzard of Ozz was a nod to Black Sabbath singer Ozzy Osbourne, who passed away earlier this year. While not local, the cover of their debut album was photographed on the Mapledurham estate in Oxfordshire.

The names in full

    Bossy
    Monster Rich
    Snow-bi Wan Kenobi
    Robin the Great
    Duck, Duck, Grit
    Draytonator!
    Did You Just In-Salt Me?
    Great Gritain
    Hansel and Gritel
    Gritasaurus
    Ready, Spready, Go
    Elvis Spreadley
    Inspector Norse
    Agatha Gritstie
    Snowy Beauchamp
    Gritty Gritty Bang Bang
    Sir Winston Chur-chill
    Shotover Chill
    Snowdo Baggins
    Radiospread
    Professor Stephen Thawking
    Claudia Sprinkleman
    Blenheim Pal-ice
    Sir Roger Ban-ice-ster
    Grittenham Clumps
    Grittmeister 5000
    Alfred the Grit
    Spready Mercury
    John Thaw
    Blizzard of Ozz.

New year - day out by train and bus to Wells, Glastonbury or Street
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [369829/31299/34]
Posted by grahame at 11:34, 20th December 2025
 




Planning this as my first public transport trip of the year - anyone care to join me?

Darn it - I have lost the Facebook link and can't find it again.

Naming of gritter lorries
In "The Lighter Side" [369828/31298/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:23, 20th December 2025
 
From the BBC:

Sir David Attenbrrr among ice cold BCP Council gritter names


Witty, wintry names have been picked for 13 gritters set for Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole roads

Sir David Attenbrrr, Ice Ice Maybe and Slip Not are among the names chosen for a council's fleet of road gritters.

Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole (BCP) Council asked residents to suggest "witty, wintry and wonderful" names for its fleet of 13 gritters.

The council said it received more than 1,000 suggestions to its naming challenge - Sir David Attenbrrr is already on duty - with names currently being added to the remaining 12 vehicles.

BCP's gritter fleet looks after 780 miles (1,255 km) of roads across Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole spreading a stock of about 4,000 tonnes of dry rock salt over the winter months.



David Plowie, Chr-ice-church, Gritty Gritty Bang Bang and Auntie Freeze are among the other names chosen for the fleet this year.

The council said sign offcuts that would otherwise have been sent to the skip were used to create the names for the vehicles to minimise costs.

During snow and icy conditions, a series of weather stations are used to monitor road temperatures across the BCP road networks so the gritters can target the areas affected.


Re: A welcome to lurkers, guests and newly registering members on the Coffee Shop forum (merged post
In "Introductions and chat" [369827/21122/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:48, 20th December 2025
 
Browsing around on the Coffee Shop forum, as I do (usually looking for something else ), I stumbled across this topic.

Noting that it's exactly a year since I posted, I'll give it a gentle 'bump' here.

CfN.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369826/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 10:47, 20th December 2025
 
Saturday December 20

12:53 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 15:11 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:20/12/2025 10:21

20:03 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 22:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:20/12/2025 10:21

This the curious working that spends four hours parked behind Shrub Hill station.

Re: Brighton Belle - merged topics
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [369825/20826/47]
Posted by grahame at 10:45, 20th December 2025
Already liked by Oxonhutch, johnneyw, Mark A, patch38, GBM, Western Pathfinder
 
https://brightonbelle.com/news/

Latest News, December 2025
 
Locomotive Services Limited (LSL) continues to make good progress with the train. Currently they are repositioning all the footsteps on each vehicle to make the set as “gauge friendly” as possible. This work will be concluded by Friday 21 November. Following this, Hitachi Rail have been engaged to conduct a laser survey of the train. This will create a detailed and extremely accurate model of the train (with revised footstep locations) which will give the ability to “clear” the train to operate across as many routes as possible. This work will be ongoing in the background until after Christmas.

Article continues

Re: Walking between stations - AQ20
In "The Lighter Side" [369824/31296/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 10:44, 20th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
Mallaig to Kyle of Lochalsh 

Re: Walking between stations - AQ20
In "The Lighter Side" [369823/31296/30]
Posted by grahame at 10:38, 20th December 2025
 
Then my second guess (in 24hrs) is in a PM 

Your p.m. is correct ... and, I appreciate the way the "one in 24 hours" is written.   However, please post the solution - the guideline should say "only one live guess in 24 hours" ... once a guess is declined, I think we should be happy to allow another attempt.

Re: Walking between stations - AQ20
In "The Lighter Side" [369822/31296/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 10:13, 20th December 2025
 
Then my second guess (in 24hrs) is in a PM 

Re: When will Birmingham's new railway stations open?
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369821/30899/51]
Posted by grahame at 10:11, 20th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Subject asks "When will Birmingham's new railway stations open"?

Which of these do members think will see regular timetabled passenger trains calling first?

Northumberland Park
Pineapple Road
Winslow
Okehampton Interchange
Willenhall

Re: Contactless - not always the cheapest
In "Fare's Fair" [369820/31297/4]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 10:09, 20th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Because of my Senior Railcard, I always used Oyster within London - the two are manually linked every year. My bank card can never know about my Railcard and I would always be charged the non-discounted fare.

Re: Walking between stations - AQ20
In "The Lighter Side" [369819/31296/30]
Posted by grahame at 10:02, 20th December 2025
 
4: I will take a punt on this one being between Lymington Pier and Ryde Pier Head

It isn't (neither of those two stations and geographically distant) ... though I look at the profile and it fits rather nicely. 

Re: Walking between stations - AQ20
In "The Lighter Side" [369818/31296/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 09:58, 20th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
That will save you the cost of the ferry!..

Re: Walking between stations - AQ20
In "The Lighter Side" [369817/31296/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:53, 20th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
4: I will take a punt on this one being between Lymington Pier and Ryde Pier Head

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369816/31281/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:52, 20th December 2025
 
Odd one out - which and why? And, yes, there are probably multiple answers in each case. 
And my goodness I think they all probably had multiple answers.  Here are the ones I had as I set the quiz

1. Westbury - no operational platform 0
Also identified by rogerw
Westbury
Cardiff Central
Doncaster
Haymarket

2. Corrour - only one with a through train from London
Corrour
Trowbridge
Kildonan
Dorchester West

3. Sheffield - only unbarriered station
Also Liverpool Lime Street - only one not XC served - eightonedee
Bristol Temple Meads
Sheffield
Cheltenham Spa
Liverpool Lime Street

4. Barry - only one that's not a "Bridge"
Also identified by brooklea
Also Acton is the only name which is not a standalone station name - Prestbury Road
Barry
Catford
Burscough
Acton

5. Dilton Marsh - only one with a better than token service
Also identified by Oxonhutch
Brigg
Dilton Marsh
Snaith
Clifton

6. Melksham - only one without a Harrington Hump
Melksham
Arram
Pontardulais
Northwich

7. Sandplace - only one without a through service from Westbury
Also STJ is only one not a request stop - TonyN
Chetnole
Sandplace
Severn Tunnel Junction
Thornford

8. Woburn Sands - only one not tabled for closing under East-West rail plans
Also identified by ellendune
Woburn Sands
Bow Brickhill
Millbrook
Fenny Stratford

9. Sheephill - not a rail work / depot
Also identified by Merthyr Imp
Dairycoates
Cowlairs
Sheephill
Lovers Walk

10. Blackburn - all the others have five platforms
Also Shipley - only one which had two stations in the town at one time
Blackburn
Lincoln
Bedford
Shipley

Re: When will Birmingham's new railway stations open?
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369815/30899/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:22, 20th December 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Work finishes on five new railway stations

Construction work has finished on five new railway stations in the West Midlands.

Kings Heath, Moseley and Pineapple Road stations on the Camp Hill line in Birmingham, along with stations at Willenhall and Darlaston in Walsall, are due to open in early 2026.

They were originally scheduled to have been finished and in operation in 2024, but were hit with delays and soaring costs.

Once opened, it will mean the return of passengers to the Camp Hill line for the first time since the early 1940s and the end of a 60-year wait for services at Willenhall and Darlaston.

Richard Parker, mayor of the West Midlands, recently handed control of the stations over to West Midlands Railway after the work was completed. He said the services would improve connectivity and take congestion off the roads. "They will help bring increased footfall to the places around it and they will help drive economic growth," he added.


The new Pineapple Road station, pictured during construction, will open next year

The Labour mayor said driver training, testing and signalling work would take place over the next few weeks to ensure the stations were ready for passengers in the new year.

The stations have been delivered in partnership with the Department for Transport, West Midlands Railway, Network Rail, Birmingham City Council and Walsall Council.

Denise Wetton, Network Rail's central route director, said: "These five new stations are great additions to the West Midlands rail network, better connecting people and communities to new journeys and opportunities."


Re: Caledonian MacBrayne ferries in Scotland
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369813/30034/5]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:52, 20th December 2025
 
Complete and ongoing fiasco from Day 1 of the procurement process.

Re: Derailment of Glasgow to London train near Shap in Cumbria - 3 November 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369811/31028/51]
Posted by Electric train at 07:22, 20th December 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
What the RAIB say is that the system was fully operational and reporting sensor movement to the monitoring centre of the company that built and ran it. Network Rail had not signed it off as operational, meaning that alarm reports were not being sent on to their control centre. And no, I don't understand that either. Among the many things we don't know is whether the company would have picked up movement reports and forwarded them to NR - academic since there were no such reports.

The most likely system I can find mention of online (and which is used by NR in other places) has tilt sensors on poles, reporting to a local concentrator box, which sends reports on to the company HQ. If the poles are about 1m tall, that would fit with the highest movement threshold of 90 cm. However, reporting greater movements would depend on the ability to transmit while lying flat, at risk of being at least wet and muddy if not (as observed here) buried. I'd need more detail about the radios and antennas to say any more about why what looks like a serious omission took place.

A tilt sensor measures sideways offset from the base of the pole, which might itself move, so the relationship of that offset to the earth slippage is not at all straightforward. Initially, the sensor movement is a lot bigger than the movement of the ground at any depth. Note that the words do talk about monitoring the positions of the sensors, not of the ground, suggesting either tilt or distance from another transponder is being measured.

Battery lifetime requirements constrain how often reports can be sent, and I guess the concentrator/relay box has to be solar powered since any mobile phone (even GPRS, still used for this kind of thing) has to cover a longer distance and is much more power-hungry. The collective report sent on obviously could include an item for each sensor, and I'd expect that in every report - after all, it's only a bit or two each. But, again, how the operators would or should have reacted to two sensors going AWOL is unknown.

Network Rail hand over process is torturous, getting something from commissioned ie the installer has checked and tested a system if functioning correctly to the point where the Route / Region Geotech Asset Manager has the "keys" is, in my view from experience" far to wrapped up in project management governance, also the crazy process in the way contractors are paid and a Project Manager can declared a project delivered as a KPI is the commissioning and not entry into service / hand over.

There are hundreds of these monitoring systems across the network and are alerting the Route / Region Geotech Asset Managers to problems and deal with them

Re: Bristol Rail Campaign (FoSBR) AGM
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [369810/31295/34]
Posted by grahame at 06:21, 20th December 2025
 
Could the AGM not be held during day light hours like GWR and Travel watch South West do?

I get a feeling of "deja vu" with this topic - think we have been there before.  However, times move on.  You're correct in saying that TWSW is daytime, and the recent Railfuture meeting in Yatton was too.  Those were choices made to help people attend, and on open invite.  Did we see you at either meeting though?

I am a Bristol Rail Campaign member and may come along on 11th March - and I will be posting up other March meeting dates today. Typically evenings for local campaign groups so that people don't have to take a day off work / college to attend, and daytime for meetings with a larger area catchment where some people need to travel a considerable distance to attend.

Re: Bristol Rail Campaign (FoSBR) AGM
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [369809/31295/34]
Posted by infoman at 05:42, 20th December 2025
 
Could the AGM not be held during day light hours like GWR and Travel watch South West do?

 
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