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Re: Ancillary increases - Car Parking charges going up!
In "Fare's Fair" [364805/30627/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:06, 27th August 2025
 
£2.80 after midday too

Re: Ancillary increases - Car Parking charges going up!
In "Fare's Fair" [364804/30627/4]
Posted by TonyN at 18:35, 27th August 2025
 
Signs are up at Pershore £4 a day (£2.80 Sat and Sun)

Pay on APCOA App or at the Ticket machine.

Cost to the taxpayer. Benefit to APCOA who will have been paid for the signs and the Ticket machine contractor who will have been paid to modify the software.

Income £36 a day. And someone will have to be paid to check parking. ANPR is not possible due to a number of businesses requiring access through the car park.

Total waste of Taxpayers money.

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364803/19566/47]
Posted by grahame at 18:31, 27th August 2025
 
An estimated £20,000 penalty in terms of fuel costs but will hopefully rescue a lot of bookings.

Mark

Serious profit being made per trip then!

With a capacity of 650 passengers (is that current?), on some days multiple loading, and fares often over £50 per person, the £20,000 is less than a good day's income.  Profit?  Don't know - would think not; Waverley is expensive to run and maintain.  Serious turnover - yes!

Re: Scottish castle with miniature railway on the market for £3.25m
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364802/30635/49]
Posted by grahame at 18:19, 27th August 2025
 
There's one that's located less than a mile (as the crow flies, anyway) from Melksham station which at one time had "near Bath" as a strapline on their website, and no mention at all of Melksham...
£500 per room per night is definitely Bath pricing

(ok that is over Christmas, and it is a nice place - recently changed hands I believe https://beechfieldhouse.co.uk/offers/christmas-2025/ )

Lisa and I ran a hotel in Melksham ... that was mentioned in most of our marketing because people in most of our markets were coming for what's here in Melksham.  HOWEVER ... for certain business "less than 10 miles from Bath" was what brought some of the weekend bookings.    It then usually lead to the question "how do I get to the park and ride" with our answer "don't - leave your car here and catch the bus from right outside".

Beechfield House is an interesting story.  It was up for sale in when we bought our current place 20 years ago, and we took a look at it. It was clearly in need of a lot of work and TLC in those days, and discussions with the people who would have been giving us financial support made it clear that without UK hospitality experience they could not back us.   We would almost certainly have concluded it was wrong for us anyway.

The cost of a Christmas booking is - for most hotels - not a regular like-for-like comparison with rates for normal days and if often very much more inclusive than rates away from special public holiday times. 

Beechfield House had a massive amount done by the folks who bought it soon after we looked - we have admire from a distance how well they have done. They sold in on recently.

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364801/19566/47]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:09, 27th August 2025
 
Serious profit being made per trip then!

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [364800/29726/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:52, 27th August 2025
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 

I guess it's fairly standard, but it is nicely put - all is forgiven


Yes: Ellie, Customer Service Advisor, is doing her best to defend the indefensible. 


Cut/paste is very handy for organisations like GWR when it comes to dealing with these matters.


Many years ago, within a financial services office context, one of my colleagues and I came up with a few light-hearted 'standard letters', using Microsoft Word, theoretically to be used in response to any customer complaints.

Those letters were known as 'foboff 1', 'foboff 2' and 'foboff 3'.

I wish I still had access to them. 

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [364799/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 17:49, 27th August 2025
 
Wednesday August 27

Unreported on JourneyCheck, RTT is saying that
1P39 1726 Worcester Foregate Street to Worcester Shrub Hill
was cancelled after Shrub Hill "due to a problem with the track (IS)".

and 1W31 1552 London Paddington to Great Malvern was held at Moreton (+13).

Now being reported on JourneyCheck:
Due to a safety inspection of the track at Honeybourne the line towards Oxford is blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Train services between Worcester Shrub Hill and Oxford may be cancelled, delayed or diverted.
Customer Advice
A section of track near Homeybourne is closed for a safety inspection. Unfortunately this means we are currently unable to run our service between Worcester and Oxford. We are currently arranging plans for customers affected on the route. In some cases it may be possible to divert trains between Worcester Shrub Hill and Reading, but stations along the way will not be served. On board staff will inform customers of the route they will take, and potential journey times.
Last Updated:27/08/2025 17:56

Latest scores:
16:32 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 19:29 will no longer call at Didcot Parkway but will call additionally at Radley.
It is being delayed at Honeybourne.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:27/08/2025 17:40
Currently held at Honeybourne (+42).

17:26 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 19:52 was terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:27/08/2025 17:38
18:02 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 20:29 will no longer call at Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury, Hanborough and Oxford.
It will be delayed between Worcester Shrub Hill and Didcot Parkway.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:27/08/2025 17:58
Being sent via Stroud. Currently held at Abbotswood Junction.

18:51 Evesham to Oxford due 19:50 will be reinstated.
It will be started from Moreton-In-Marsh.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:27/08/2025 17:33

16:58 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 19:25 is being delayed at Oxford.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:27/08/2025 17:56[/quote]
RTT showing as terminating at Moreton. Departed Oxford +24.

Re: Scottish castle with miniature railway on the market for £3.25m
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364798/30635/49]
Posted by matth1j at 17:12, 27th August 2025
 
There's one that's located less than a mile (as the crow flies, anyway) from Melksham station which at one time had "near Bath" as a strapline on their website, and no mention at all of Melksham...
£500 per room per night is definitely Bath pricing

(ok that is over Christmas, and it is a nice place - recently changed hands I believe https://beechfieldhouse.co.uk/offers/christmas-2025/ )

Re: Campaign calls for free public transport in London - August 2025
In "Transport for London" [364797/30632/46]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:53, 27th August 2025
 
As one of our esteemed members is wont to ask.........Ooooooooos gonna pay for it?

No-one - it's going to be free  . ... of course, it means "free at the point of use" and there's some potential sense in that.   

I have noted in Luxembourg and in certain places in Norway that there is no charge for the use of public transport, and at places in France and Germany where some services are free or you are assumed to have a ticket where loading and unloading speed, so transit time and staffing levels can be notably reduced.

We are a long way from the underground going barrier free and people not even having to swipe a card as they get on buses, but it has its attractions.

......certainly has its attractions if there's £5.7 billion down the back of the sofa to make up the deficit.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [364796/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:51, 27th August 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 

I guess it's fairly standard, but it is nicely put - all is forgiven


Yes: Ellie, Customer Service Advisor, is doing her best to defend the indefensible. 


Cut/paste is very handy for organisations like GWR when it comes to dealing with these matters.

Re: British Airways attendant found naked and on drugs in onboard toilet
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [364795/30607/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:16, 27th August 2025
 
We're going off at something of a tangent here (yet again), but I remember this incident, within days of his anointing our now King Charles III - from the BBC:

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby given speeding fine

Re: Scottish castle with miniature railway on the market for £3.25m
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364794/30635/49]
Posted by Phil at 16:10, 27th August 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
It's definitely in Scotland. I've been there. My daughter lived, worked (and got married a couple of years back) on the nearby Duns Castle estate which likewise is just over the border from Berwick.

I can well see how the confusion arose though. Some hotels do seem to like to claim they are in one place when in fact they are in another. There's one that's located less than a mile (as the crow flies, anyway) from Melksham station which at one time had "near Bath" as a strapline on their website, and no mention at all of Melksham; although I see it's now moderated that to "only 30 minutes from Bath and the Cotswolds". Funny how it doesn't mention "20 minutes from Trow-Vegas" as well, but there you go....

Northern Ireland town 'bemused and confused' as big yellow box disappears
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [364793/30636/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:00, 27th August 2025
 
From the BBC:


August: The yellow box is gone but not forgotten

A yellow box junction which was hailed as the biggest in the UK and Ireland has been removed from a County Londonderry town.

The 40m-long yellow markings in Maghera were painted in June, then reduced in size in July, and now have disappeared completely. However, a yellow box is expected to make a comeback in the autumn, when resurfacing work in the town is completed.

Mid Ulster Councillor Denise Johnston said she wants a meeting with the Department for Infrastructure over what she described as "a waste" of public money. Questions have been asked about the cost of the work, and why the lines were painted in June if resurfacing work was planned in August.

SDLP councillor Denise Johnston told BBC Radio Foyle: "It just doesn't make sense and it's not a good use of public money. I do get the importance of a yellow box - a yellow box will be necessary there - but … if you know you're going to resurface the road two or three months later, why would you do it?"  She said many people in Maghera had been left "bemused and confused".


July: The beginning of the end

The Department for Infrastructure (DfI), which is in charge of roads in Northern Ireland, said the costs could not be released as they were "commercially sensitive".

Explaining the changes which have taken place, a DfI spokesperson said: "The department implemented the yellow box markings at this location to assist with the ease of Translink bus movements to and from the main bus stop on St Lurachs Road.

"The extent of the markings was reviewed following initial installation and subsequently reduced in length to improve traffic flow. The yellow box marking will be reinstated upon completion of the resurfacing on Hall Street."


June: The yellow box in all its glory

Maghera, with its population of fewer than 5,000 people, was dubbed the "small town with the big yellow box" after the first appearance of the markings in June.

The extra-large box stretched along a busy junction frequently used by buses, lorries and cars. After complaints, the box was scaled back but it took a while as the distinctive yellow markings are not easily removed.

Public realm improvements have been taking place in the town for the past year. As well as installing new street furniture and widening footpaths, the project tried to tackle traffic flow issues.


Re: British Airways attendant found naked and on drugs in onboard toilet
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [364792/30607/5]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 15:48, 27th August 2025
 
Away from home high-jinx

Thankfully, no serious outcome for any of the passengers or for his colleagues

As attention grabbing headlines go,
British Airways attendant found naked and on drugs in onboard toilet
is very nearly up there with "Sex Change Bishop in Palace Mercy Dash"

Re: Gwynedd heritage trains used as 'fire engines on rails' in hot weather: Aug 2025
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364791/30633/47]
Posted by broadgage at 15:24, 27th August 2025
 
Excellent news. I am surprised that this, or something similar, is not more widely used.
Whom pays for the water ? water companies are required to supply water at no charge for fire fighting, but AFAIK this does not apply to wetting the area as a precaution.


Re: Scottish castle with miniature railway on the market for £3.25m
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364790/30635/49]
Posted by stuving at 15:11, 27th August 2025
 
I would argue that Ayton Castle is rather more in England than Scotland. 'Scottish Borders', maybe - but Berwick-upon-Tweed is in England. 

Ayton, and Eyemouth, are in Berwickshire - north of the town of Berwick on Tweed - so certainly in Scotland.

Re: What would you gamble on. Horses, Cards, lottery, getting home at night?
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [364789/30628/3]
Posted by rogerw at 14:43, 27th August 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
I have premium bonds and will buy raffle tickets on railtours, but rarely win. I would never rely on the last train. I have a holiday to Austria at the end of October where my flight is due into Stanstead at 1910. In theory I could get home to Bristol that evening if there are no flight delays. I have played safe and booked a hotel for that night.

Re: Scottish castle with miniature railway on the market for £3.25m
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364788/30635/49]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:25, 27th August 2025
 
I would argue that Ayton Castle is rather more in England than Scotland. 'Scottish Borders', maybe - but Berwick-upon-Tweed is in England. 


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [364787/29726/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:16, 27th August 2025
Already liked by matth1j, IndustryInsider, rogerw, grahame, GBM
 

I guess it's fairly standard, but it is nicely put - all is forgiven


Yes: Ellie, Customer Service Advisor, is doing her best to defend the indefensible. 

Scottish castle with miniature railway on the market for £3.25m
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [364786/30635/49]
Posted by matth1j at 14:06, 27th August 2025
 
From the Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/08b5b69a41f19515

The estate features a narrow gauge railway – which runs through part of the grounds – complete with platform, ticket office, engine shed and joiner’s shop.

Re: Three killed in Isle of Wight helicopter crash during flying lesson: 25 Aug 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [364785/30626/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:02, 27th August 2025
 
Indeed, sad news, ChrisB. 

An update, from the BBC:

Investigation continues into fatal helicopter crash


The remains of the helicopter were taken away on Tuesday

An investigation into how a helicopter came to crash in a field on the Isle of Wight is continuing, the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) has said.

Justyna Czoska, 52, Wojciech Kowalkowski, 49, and 54-year-old Simon Hewitt were killed when the aircraft came down near Shanklin on Monday morning.

A spokesperson for the AAIB previously said they were gathering physical evidence from the accident site and interviewing witnesses.

The wreckage was removed from the crash site on Tuesday.

The spokesperson added the investigation was likely to take 12 months.


Justyna Czoska, Wojtek Kowalkowski and pilot Simon Hewitt (right) died in the crash on the Isle of Wight

A spokesman for operator Northumbria Helicopters previously said G-OCLV - a Robinson R44 II - had departed from Sandown Airport at approximately 09:00 BST on Monday. It said the aircraft was "carrying four passengers on board including the pilot, and was undertaking a flying lesson".

Witnesses reported the aircraft spiralling before crashing in a field alongside the A3020 at 09:20. One person was airlifted to the major trauma centre at University Hospital Southampton, Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary said. The other three people on board died.

Ms Czoska and Mr Kowalkowski were both from Banbury in Oxfordshire, while Mr Hewitt was from Barton-upon-Humber in Lincolnshire.

Ms Czoska's family described her as "beautiful, funny, talkative, optimistic and kind", and said she was "always wanting to make those around her happy. She was our best friend, we miss the sound of her voice, we will miss her forever," they said.

Mr Kowalkowski's family said he was "the father of two loving children", with Ms Czoska's daughter saying: "He always made me happy and always made my mum happy."

Mr Hewitt's partner and family said they were "absolutely broken", describing him as "the most wonderful, intelligent, kind man and father".

Northumbria Helicopters said in a statement that its "devoted pilot" Captain Simon Hewitt would be "truly missed".


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [364784/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 13:58, 27th August 2025
 
So yesterday I had 2 consecutive journey options to work cancelled; today it's 2 consecutive journey options from work 

FWIW I had a moan to GWR customer services, including a screenshot of a post from this thread with the RTT page showing pretty much a whole day of cancellations, and this is their reply:
Thank you for contacting Great Western Railway regarding your journeys from Melksham to Bristol Temple Meads.

We are working extremely hard to provide a punctual and reliable service. Therefore, it is very disappointing that you have been affected by disruption to our services recently.

I understand your frustration regarding this matter, and I would like to assure you that any disruption to our services is logged and investigated both internally and externally afterwards. We have teams dedicated to identifying trends in this respect and if there are recurring issues that arise as a result, we will work to apply the necessary changes. I can assure you, therefore, that any recurring problems will be on our radar, but I do apologise once again for the stress and frustration caused

As you are aware, I do advise that you submit a Delay Repay claim, for future journeys, I do advise you pre-purchase your tickets for your journeys to ensure that the correct amount of compensation is awarded for the length of delay you had encountered.

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get back in touch with me.

Thank you again for contacting Great Western Railway.

Yours sincerely,

Ellie

Customer Service Advisor
I guess it's fairly standard, but it is nicely put - all is forgiven

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364783/19566/47]
Posted by Mark A at 13:49, 27th August 2025
 
A write-up and photos from Alastair Dalton, the Scotsman's transport correspondent.

An estimated £20,000 penalty in terms of fuel costs but will hopefully rescue a lot of bookings.

Mark


https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/waverley-paddle-steamers-first-ever-epic-1300-mile-east-coast-voyage-to-beat-bad-weather-5290199#

Re: China: World's tallest bridge completes key load-bearing test - August 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [364782/30634/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:33, 27th August 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
No worries - well, apart from my acrophobia, which means that I have to watch any such videos with my knuckles clenched firmly to my desk.

Thanks, anyway. CfN. 

Re: Inline expansion of abbreviations and acronyms
In "News, Help and Assistance" [364781/24784/29]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:25, 27th August 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Reading a recent post, out on the forum, https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=30616.msg364778#msg364778 (thank you, Witham Bobby ) I was rather surprised that we/I hadn't already provided any definition for 'NUR' or 'WSR'.

I have now added them to our 'Abbreviations and Acronyms' page, at http://worker.firstgreatwestern.info/better/acronyms.html

If any of our readers have further suggestions for inclusion on that 'help page', please do let me know.

CfN. 


Re: Heritage railways and how they connect with the larger infrastructure
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [364780/30616/28]
Posted by Sulis John at 12:48, 27th August 2025
Already liked by eightonedee, Witham Bobby
 
One major difference between UK heritage railways and the majority of the German narrow gauge steam lines is that the latter were mostly transferred as “going concerns” from DB to a “private” company (in most cases probably majority local authority owned, complete with subsidies, possibly lucrative contracts for schools traffic etc. They are also almost exclusively in areas that qualify/qualified for numerous EU grants. As such their financing structure bears little resemblance to what we would understand as a heritage railway. The German equivalents of those look enviously across the channel…

Re: China: World's tallest bridge completes key load-bearing test - August 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [364779/30634/52]
Posted by matth1j at 12:17, 27th August 2025
 
Top hit on youtube: https://youtu.be/cY3eEQeIhyo?si=0bwOD9Og_4rxK5B2

Does look impressive.

EDIT sorry, missed the fact that Chris's post included a (more up to date) link 

Re: Heritage railways and how they connect with the larger infrastructure
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [364778/30616/28]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:15, 27th August 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
The UK - or perhaps I should say England? - seems to be very good at providing reasons why things can't happen.

Many so-called heritage railways here are in some sort of financial difficulty at the moment. There's a recent thread on https://www.railforums.co.uk/ on this topic. It's rather dismal reading; contributors suggestions seem to include retrenchement - fewer operating days or trimmed timetables - and more drift away from being a genuine heritage railway towards some sort of sedate fairground ride "experience".

Another thread discusses main-line links. Again:,dismal reading: not worth the effort. Few passengers for the cost and effort etc. ( I have to say in this context that the main line railway hasn't helped -a thought that I may develop later).

When Grahame mentioned the Mollibahn (another line to the coast), I started to wonder about its business model. Its summer timetable (which runs until 2nd November) starts at 0640, with a nearly hourly service until the last train arrives back at 19:24. Seven days a week, I believe; and the railway's PDF timetable shows connecting train services.

Having sat across the "negotiating" table from BR Divisional Management at Bristol attempting to get WSR trains into and out of Taunton (it would have been so much easier back then, with an independent line in the form of the old Up Relief, available from the junction at MP 165.25 all the way into the bay platforms on the Up side at Taunton) I think the attitude of the Big Railway is always going to be a huge part of the problem.

I was told that, having shut the branch, the BR folks didn't want it to open again so that their error would be exposed.  The huge costs for what was then known as a Running Powers Agreement, and for the initial alterations to the layout and signalling were non-negotiable, and completely unrealistic for the 1970s WSR to afford

I suspect the BR Management didn't want to force a confrontation with the NUR, either.  The union had "blacked" the WSR, with the aim of safeguarding the jobs of NUR member bus drivers at Taunton and Minehead

Re: What would you gamble on. Horses, Cards, lottery, getting home at night?
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [364777/30628/3]
Posted by Fourbee at 12:12, 27th August 2025
 
We stopped doing the lottery many, many years ago
One televised draw a week that you could enter for a £1 was a novelty when it was introduced. Wasn't impressed with most of the changes after that, especially the doubling of the price to £2 on the main draw (only ever played one line) and don't play now either.

China: World's tallest bridge completes key load-bearing test - August 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [364776/30634/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:11, 27th August 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
A video news report, from the BBC:

The Huajiang Grand Canyon Bridge in China has undergone a five-day testing process ahead of the scheduled opening in late September.

The load test is the final step before it is considered safe to welcome traffic. A testing team drove 96 trucks onto designated points to test the bridge's structural integrity.

Rising 625m (2,083ft) above a river in Guizhou province, the bridge will upon completion set the record for both the world's tallest bridge and largest span bridge built in a mountainous area.


 
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