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Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362684/29726/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 14:00, 26th June 2025
 
Same problem in that the DfT signs off on all costs. Graham, you know this.

Re: Swans versus Avocet
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362683/30403/49]
Posted by eightonedee at 13:45, 26th June 2025
Already liked by Oxonhutch
 
Is it true that swans can only take off from water?

No, but it's far easier!

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362682/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 13:16, 26th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
With Hendy in the room, and the DfT on the hook as we know for any & all additional costs on the railway, MH did refer a couple of times to the need to get a 7 day railway. In the circumstances, about as much as he could address?

Well ... he could have addressed the problems of getting staff and a reliable service on the other six days in the week and explained why after all these years they haven't achieved it.   With Hendy and customers in the room, that might actually have brought something to the pinpoint attention of Lord Hendy who is, after all, very much more a public transport person and advocate than we've had in the past.

Re: Global Centre of Rail Excellence
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [362680/28013/23]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:42, 26th June 2025
 
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That could easily take four years to get nowhere, couldn't it? Just ask Go-Op how!

Or HS2, who can do it for far longer than four years, and at many multiples of the cost

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362679/29726/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:38, 26th June 2025
 
With Hendy in the room, and the DfT on the hook as we know for any & all additional costs on the railway, MH did refer a couple of times to the need to get a 7 day railway. In the circumstances, about as much as he could address?

Re: Eurostar wide spread disruption Wednesday 25 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362678/30402/52]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:16, 26th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Slightly off-topic, but all GWR IETs have an abundance of water supplies on board and if there is a power failure they can usually go over to 'Diesel' mode to keep all the important on-board systems including air-conditioning on until the train can move.

GWR 387s have no water on board and if there is a power failure they are usually stranded and start to 'load shed' quickly, meaning important on-board systems like air-conditioning only work for a short while.

The wrong way round?

Re: Global Centre of Rail Excellence
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [362677/28013/23]
Posted by matth1j at 10:18, 26th June 2025
 
The GCRE's own website (apologies if it's already been posted and I've missed it):
https://www.gcre.wales/

Subheading is "The UK’s first net zero railway".

Re: Global Centre of Rail Excellence
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [362676/28013/23]
Posted by stuving at 10:05, 26th June 2025
 
If you follow the link at the start of this thread, it still leads to a .gov.wales page giving the status in early 2021, with:
Next steps

GCRE has begun the next phase of plans to bring private sector investment into the company, GCRE Ltd. It has formally launched a public procurement process, with the publication of a Contract Notice and Selection Questionnaire inviting applicants to pre-qualify.

The public procurement process is expected to run until the autumn of 2023. Following this it is expected that GCRE Ltd will become majority owned by a private investor(s).

That could easily take four years to get nowhere, couldn't it? Just ask Go-Op how!

Re: Modern Day Problems
In "The Lighter Side" [362675/30390/30]
Posted by broadgage at 09:45, 26th June 2025
 

Those who have met me in person ...


I have: broadgage is great. 



Great in diameter and circumference, yes.
Great in height, maybe, but only a bit above average.
Great in cuteness, no way.

Re: Swans versus Avocet
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362674/30403/49]
Posted by stuving at 09:41, 26th June 2025
Already liked by Oxonhutch
 
I seem to recall that a swan is the size of trespasser where the delay problem (and repay responsibility) moves from the TOC over to Network Rail, although I am not sure how line-side fences are supposed to keep a swan out of the railway reservation. Is it true that swans can only take off from water?

While no doubt size matters, it's not the specific criterion. Delays are to be attributed to NR if the animal (including birds) is a risk to safety of the line. If not - presumably it's then a driver not wanting to harm a poor little birdie - that's left with the TOC (and to be discussed with the driver). There are two footnotes to that section of the DAPR (Q1.8.1), one of them specific to swans:
Note: Safety of the Line in this circumstance is deemed to be where the reporting person believes there is a potential risk to the safety of their train, other trains, any persons on those trains or the overall safe operation of the railway.

Note: Incursion incidents involving swans (not struck by a train) are to be coded to X8 given their protected status.

X8:   Animal Strike or incursion not within the control of Network Rail     EXT ANIMAL

So that's one of things things NR pay for though they are not held to be responsible.

Re: Delay repay question
In "Your rights and redress" [362673/30373/6]
Posted by matth1j at 09:37, 26th June 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, rogerw, Oxonhutch
 
...and as I only paid £36.58 for it thanks to Uber's ongoing 5% off promotion, I'm quids in

Ok I actually got £1.92 back in Uber credit, but I've already used that on my commutes. And of course it doesn't cover the cost of driving to Chippenham and back to pick my wife up, which was during my working day. I didn't try suggesting she should just wait ~2 hours at Swindon for the next train to Melksham as I had a pretty good idea what the answer would be

Re: Swans versus Avocet
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362672/30403/49]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:17, 26th June 2025
 
I seem to recall that a swan is the size of trespasser where the delay problem (and repay responsibility) moves from the TOC over to Network Rail, although I am not sure how line-side fences are supposed to keep a swan out of the railway reservation. Is it true that swans can only take off from water?

Re: Connections, engineering works, delays and substitution - Slovak style
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362671/30396/52]
Posted by grahame at 09:02, 26th June 2025
 
Again, a pacer and a series of stations now up to the top of the valley - I think I saw a sign that said "588 metres" but I could have been wrong, or that could have been the distance to some attraction I missed.

Yes, I thinks it was 588 metres above sea level (and, yes, I missed an attraction)

The resort SKIMAKOV is especially popular among young families with children, which predetermine particularly wide slopes that allow safe skiing.

The ski slopes of medium and easy difficulty (overall length of 6 050 m) are located in 660 - 948 m above sea level and they are regularly treated. In the resort are 4 ski lifts with a transport capacity of 2850 person / hour., 3 km artificial snow routes and 1200 m long illuminated trail. The average ski season lasts for 90 days. There is a parking lot for 260 cars at your disposal, which is located right nest to the lifts. The resort is easily accessible.

In the resort, just next to the ski lifts, there is a newly build buffet with the possibility of sitting inside or on a covered terrace with a wonderful view of the ski slopes. Skiers have the option of refreshments in the buffet at the upper lift station, directly on the ridge Javorníky, where a nice view of the resort and Beskydy. There is also a children skifun park, snowtubing, snowpark, snowboarding and ski rental and ski service. For the beginners, we offer ski and snowboard school and ski kindergarten. Tourist - recreational cross-country ski track passes through the ridge Javorníky through top Čerenka 948 m, while the ridge to ski lift exports and supplies to the ridge Beskydy.

In the Makov municipality (2 km from the resort), there is a ice rink, ATM, change office, railway station and other food and accommodation

I'll have to take my big feet there some winter soon!

Re: Global Centre of Rail Excellence
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [362670/28013/23]
Posted by Clan Line at 08:29, 26th June 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, Witham Bobby
 
Perhaps in the 5 year delay somebody might point out that: "high-speed ............. with testing speeds of potentially up to 125mph" is not really considered "high speed" anymore !

Re: Delay repay question
In "Your rights and redress" [362669/30373/6]
Posted by matth1j at 07:03, 26th June 2025
Already liked by froome
 
We’ve rejected your claim as it doesn’t meet the criteria stated in our current policy.


Would be helpful if they stated in what way it doesn't meet the criteria. I've appealed, asking them to clarify.

Update:
We have confirmed that the delay you experienced was 120 minutes or more and that you are entitled to £38.50 in compensation.
Great, although no indication why they rejected it the first time.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [362668/29177/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:36, 26th June 2025
 
Looks like good BBQ weather on Sunday.

Re: Global Centre of Rail Excellence
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [362667/28013/23]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:36, 26th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
From ITV.com

Global Centre of Rail Excellence: £400m rail testing facility 'delayed for five years'

A state of the art rail testing facility near Ystradgynlais is at least five years behind schedule, it has been revealed.

On Friday, Powys County Council councillors received a report outlining the risks to the council associated with transforming the former Nant Helen opencast mine and Onllwyn washery site into a Global Centre of Railway Excellence (GCRE).

The development has a potential to create hundreds of jobs and could revitalise the economy bringing in an estimated £300 million into the area.

Article continues

The irony siren is earsplitting!!!

Inspector rules in favour of heritage railway (Ffestiniog / Beddgelert)
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [362666/30404/47]
Posted by grahame at 06:20, 26th June 2025
 
From Place North West

An appeal by the Ffestiniog Railway Company against the Snowdonia National Park Authority’s refusal of a new station building for Beddgelert has been allowed, with the authority also required to pay costs.

In a decision handed down on 21 May by RH Duggan, a planning inspector appointed by the Welsh Ministers, it was decreed that the railway organisation may proceed with the development on a concrete slab already put in place when the project was initially put forward in the 2000s.

Costs were also awarded, with the inspector recording that in its refusal the planning committee had not applied the local development plan 2016-2031, and that “the application was decided on the grounds of unsupported local opinion and opposition to any station building,” causing the appellant unnecessary costs.

The applicant is now invited to submit to the national park authority details of its costs, with a view to reaching agreement on the amount to be paid.

Consent was given in 2006 by the authority for a facility including ticket office, waiting room, toilets and café, with the slab developed at the existing Beddgelert station, a stop on the Welsh Highland Railway.

Even at that point the issue was contentious, with conditions attached on trading – conditions that were defeated in an earlier appeal. Since that time, the station has operated with small shelters on platforms, portaloos and temporary cafe provision in place, as financial priorities elsewhere saw the Beddgelert project put on hold.

A  refreshed application was submitted in 2023, looking to deliver a slightly smaller version of the approved 2006 plan.

This went to the parks authority’s planning and access committee in May 2023 with a recommendation to approve, but was refused, leading the heritage group to seek recourse through Planning & Environment Decisions Wales.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362665/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 04:24, 26th June 2025
 
Another space for someone else then who does want to attend - there's plenty out there wanting to network

?? - I suspect you are reading or I am quoting somewhat out of context.

My contacts (and there are several in Wiltshire and Somerset who were there) did find the day very useful and gave no indication of the whole being a waste of their time.  Indeed they said the networking was most useful.

The criticism was more a disappointment at GWR's failure to adequately address the issues of service reliability. I wasn't there so I have no view - but reliability does need to be urgently addressed on the ground, and in writing "urgently" and "on the ground" you have a conundrum for the conference organisers.   Nothing urgent that's effective on the ground has been done for years, and what good would a longer section at the conference giving explanations (excuses?) and making (over?)optimistic promise actually do?

Re: Connections, engineering works, delays and substitution - Slovak style
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362664/30396/52]
Posted by grahame at 04:07, 26th June 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, froome
 
I'm on an experience-gathering mission. ...

A follow up because these are important things for passengers.   It seems that the making of connections even at times of some disruption, and schedules that are gentle enough to get back on track, are the norm and not the exception.

Regular readers will have seen my Visit to Makov article which happened to be made the day of my (!) failed connection to the GWR conference ... but this is about getting there.

The junction with the main line is at Cadac from where the train leaves up the branch every hour. Clockface. And the platform (if you can honour it with that description) is off to one side, across the yard, very much a reminder of Liskeard.   We set off around 10 minutes late - the 4 carriage train already had a comfortable load of people on board, more joined during the delay, and we were finally dispatched by a red-hatted staff member waving a baton at us.   Connection maintained.

Our pacer bucked and bucketed up the valley, calling and wayside stops and crossing roads and paths with limited and varying protecion, and a few horn toots.  People hearabouts seem to know that they should not get in the way of the trains, and the mentality of everyone needing protection against Darwin Award tendencies is absent.

We pulled into Turzokva - on the way to Makov -  7 or 8 minutes late.  Turzokva looks to be quite a substantial town, and the service beyond there does not merit 4 carriages - so we piled out of the 4 car, some of us into a 2 car that was on the same track just ahead of us and others headed for their town business / homes.  And our 2 car set off perhaps 3 or 4 minutes late but with the connection maintained.  Again, a pacer and a series of stations now up to the top of the valley - I think I saw a sign that said "588 metres" but I could have been wrong, or that could have been the distance to some attraction I missed.

We headed back down, starting on time.  The upper valley 2 car set and the lower valley 4 car set both have 20 to 25 minute "runs" so timetables recover the odd delay of a few minutes here and there, and the arrangement with the train change at the intermediate station allows an hourly service all the way, without the need for point changes, passing loops operating, or excess capacity carrying too much fresh air in the upper valley.

The lower valley train arrived late into Turzokva on its upward run (but I noted that the upper valley train was held once again) and we set off back down a few minutes late.  Arriving perhaps 8 minutes late into Cadca, the connecting train to Zilina and beyond was already waiting, connection maintained.  Rather than rush up the platform to the subway, we all used the barrow crossing to get to that posh electric train taking us into the city, under the accepting eyes of the dispatch staff ... and so we set off, delay reduced and passengers happy.

On the approach to Zilina, part of the rebuild is a viaduct and there's just a single operational track over that at the moment.  We had a couple of minutes to wait while a train came the other way, so were perhaps 10 down into Zilina - not that it seemed to matter to anyone.  Passengers for Vrutky and beyond were accommodated for sure - it was the same train (!) and I can't tell you about long distance stuff to Kosice and Bratislava except to say that a 5 to 10 minute late departure for those is often flagged up, and I suspect connection are held.

Re: Global Centre of Rail Excellence
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [362663/28013/23]
Posted by infoman at 03:38, 26th June 2025
 
Sad News,

a delay of five years?

wondering what railway technology will have been developed in that time 

Re: Global Centre of Rail Excellence
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [362662/28013/23]
Posted by grahame at 03:19, 26th June 2025
 
From ITV.com

Global Centre of Rail Excellence: £400m rail testing facility 'delayed for five years'

A state of the art rail testing facility near Ystradgynlais is at least five years behind schedule, it has been revealed.

On Friday, Powys County Council councillors received a report outlining the risks to the council associated with transforming the former Nant Helen opencast mine and Onllwyn washery site into a Global Centre of Railway Excellence (GCRE).

The development has a potential to create hundreds of jobs and could revitalise the economy bringing in an estimated £300 million into the area.

Article continues

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [362661/29177/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:33, 26th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Temperatures above 30C expected as a second June heatwave looms

The second heatwave of 2025 is set to send temperatures soaring back over the 30C mark this weekend.

The hot weather will last into the first part of next week with the heat becoming increasingly intense with the possibility of recording the highest temperature of the year so far.

The hottest day of 2025 to date was recorded on 21 June at Charlwood, Surrey with temperatures reaching 33.2C (91.8F).

Heatwaves are becoming more common due to climate change, with a greater chance of seeing extreme heat.

There are lots of summer events that will be affected by the heat. It's likely to be the hottest start to Wimbledon, surpassing the record of 29.3C (measured at Kew) from 2001. Temperatures will get close to the Glastonbury record of 31.2C (measured at Rodney Stoke) recorded in 2017.



Rain and showers are forecast for Thursday with a fresh feel to the weather.

Humidity increases on Friday as a warm airmass associated with the recent extreme heatwave in the USA makes its way across the Atlantic. Rain and showers will affect the north-west of the UK, but with more sunshine in eastern England, temperatures will head into the high 20C's.

It becomes much hotter over the weekend as a ridge of high pressure over Europe influences our weather. On Saturday temperatures will more widely cross 'heatwave thresholds' reaching 27-30C in south-east England, East Anglia, the Midlands and Central Southern England.

By Sunday the heat reaches parts of east Wales and north England. The highest temperatures will be in East Anglia and southeast England reaching 32C in the hotspots.

The heat will get even more intense on Monday, which is likely to be the peak of the heatwave. In East Anglia and south-east England temperatures are likely to reach 33-34C, challenging or surpassing the highest temperature of 2025.

This is extreme heat and isn't far away from the June record which stands at 35.6C (96F), recorded at Southampton during the infamous summer of 1976.

There's more uncertainty in the forecast for Tuesday onwards. Many computer models suggest cooler and fresher air arrives from the west, but it's not inconceivable that the hot weather clings on for another day or so in the east.

No heatwave is expected in Scotland and Northern Ireland with temperatures more generally staying into the low 20Cs. There will be some warm spells of sunshine around, but also the prospect of some areas of rain - for example rain could be heavy on Monday.

Heatwaves can cause problems for our infrastructure, such as trains running at reduced speeds due to the risk of train tracks expanding and buckling in the heat.

We also see more heat-related health problems which can lead to an increase in excess deaths in those with underlying health conditions. Heat-health alerts are issued to warn health providers of the risk of a heat causing adverse impacts to the health and wellbeing of the population.


My highlighting. CfN.

Re: Modern Day Problems
In "The Lighter Side" [362660/30390/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:05, 25th June 2025
Already liked by GBM
 

Those who have met me in person ...


I have: broadgage is great. 


Re: Eurostar wide spread disruption Wednesday 25 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362659/30402/52]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:44, 25th June 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Western Pathfinder, Worcester_Passenger, Witham Bobby
 
Glad to see that "water was being handed out to passengers on delayed trains"........at least they didn't have to rely on a Deliveroo driver with a deadly aim! (Or should that be Delivereau?) 

Re: Uber brings forward trialling driverless taxis in UK - June 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362658/30343/5]
Posted by broadgage at 21:00, 25th June 2025
 
I doubt that the general public are ready for this yet.

Child killed by human operated cab=="what a terrible accident" Legal action against human drivers is normally muted, even if life has been lost. I suspect that judges, magistrates, and jurors tend to sympathise with the driver "There, but for the grace of god, went I."
Children and adults killed on the roads are accepted as part of modern life. Any attempt to reduce the death toll is branded as a new "war on drivers"

Child killed by automatic cab== "my child was murdered by the large corporation who built and/or operated the vehicle." ban these automatic child killers now.

Even if automated cabs are demonstrated to be safer than human operated vehicles, the objections would remain.


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362657/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 20:57, 25th June 2025
 
Wednesday June 25

19:53 London Paddington to Hereford due 22:57 will be terminated at Reading.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:25/06/2025 17:39

Stock running ECS to Hereford.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362656/29726/18]
Posted by bobm at 20:47, 25th June 2025
 
The last round trip has now, just, been reinstated. 

 
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