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Re: Cornish delays
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360674/28556/25]
Posted by GBM at 22:44, 18th April 2025
 
2P27 arrived at Plymouth 74 minutes late with 1Z99 waiting for it.
2M77 arrived Plymouth 59 minutes late; left 57 minutes late.
5P90 arrived 59 late; still sat at platform.
1Z99 seems to have departed back to Laira without 2P27 (5P27).
5P27 departed for Laira 22h37.
2P29 arrived 26 late.
5P86 arrived 24 late.

Re: St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360673/3828/25]
Posted by RailCornwall at 22:19, 18th April 2025
 
Deep winter months the south St Erth P&R site is more or less moribund with very few users M-F, most weekdays customers can be accomodated on the northern side of the station (on the right side for St Ives) although desirable a bus service wouldn't see much use at all. Rail passengers from east of St Erth can of course use the longstanding easement detailed below and travel to St Ives via Penzance at no additional cost. 

700221 Customers travelling from, to or via Truro to St Ives, Carbis Bay, Lelant and Lelant Saltings may double back between St Erth and Penzance. This easement applies in both directions.

Re: Cornish delays
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360672/28556/25]
Posted by GBM at 21:53, 18th April 2025
 
2P27 1850 Penzance to Plymouth (HST) WAS reported as delayed at St Germans due to a safety inspection of this train.
Please clarify - do the train crew inspect the outside and inside; or what!
It has been sat at (or just passed) St Germans since 20h30.

2M77 1915 Penzance to Bristol Temple Meads (5 car IET) seems to have driven up to 2P27 (or near it), but has been sat there since 21h28.

5P90 2041 Par to Exeter Tmd (2 car unit) sat at Liskeard since 21h30.
2P29 2015 Penzance to Plymouth (9 car IET) sat at Bodmin since 21h30.
5P86 2039 Penzance to Laira T.& R.S.M.D. (9 car IET) sat outside Lostwithiel since 21h31.

Re: Steam trains to return at Severn Beach
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [360671/29794/47]
Posted by johnneyw at 21:31, 18th April 2025
 
That rather explains the lack of progress that I saw when I visited the site a month or two back.  It seems that even miniature railways have their fair share of the bureaucracy that the "big" railways enjoy.
Still, it looks like there'll be a bit more to see next time I pootle down there.


Re: Wiltshire Day Rover - new multi-operator bus ticket
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360670/12333/5]
Posted by Mark A at 20:39, 18th April 2025
 
This is a magnificent thread, and it's rumbled on for a decade or so.

Also me: yes, bus day rover fares are the gateway to a right old adventure.

Also me: I'm careful to only turn up at that pub at Horton on the K&A by... either a bus or some other distinctive transport, in order not to break the spell.

Marm

Re: Wiltshire Day Rover - new multi-operator bus ticket
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360669/12333/5]
Posted by bobm at 20:15, 18th April 2025
Already liked by JayMac
 
Indeed.  Ignoring the fact you sound like a child in the playground. 

Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360668/30163/4]
Posted by Mark A at 19:29, 18th April 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
(Mark's problem was he was trying to be too clever, of course.)

Mark, if you require a second in any subsequent duel, I'm free! 



Goodness no, terrible tradition, duelling. Also, Stuving was bang on the nail. Also, I'm grateful for anyone prepared to wade into issues of fares. Thanks for offering though.

Mark

Mark

Re: Wiltshire Day Rover - new multi-operator bus ticket
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360667/12333/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:18, 18th April 2025
 
Although this thread seems to be me mainly talking to myself ...

Well, Trowres started it. 


Re: Wiltshire Day Rover - new multi-operator bus ticket
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360666/12333/5]
Posted by bobm at 19:13, 18th April 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Timmer
 
Although this thread seems to be me mainly talking to myself, I thought it was worth giving the Wiltshire Day Rover another plug.

It is now priced at £11 for adults and £7.50 for over 60s.

I went to Cricklade, Royal Wootton Bassett, a local shopping park and three trips to B&Q today.  The individual fares would have cost me £27.20 - so paying £7.50 was a real bargain.

Easter travel disruption expected on rail and roads - April 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360665/30165/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:58, 18th April 2025
 
From the BBC:



Millions of people are on the move this Easter bank holiday weekend amid warnings there could be disruption due to rail engineering works, an airport strike and heavy traffic.

More than 300 maintenance projects will be carried out by Network Rail - including at London Euston Station - over the long weekend, and Gatwick Airport is warning that planned industrial action could impact a "small number of airlines".

On the roads, the RAC has warned there could be "big [traffic] jams" with nearly 20 million people expected to travel on Good Friday.

Weather could also have an impact with yellow warnings for rain issued for parts of south-west England, south Wales and eastern parts of Northern Ireland.

Kevin Groves, Network Rail's head of media, said the vast majority of the rail network - over 95% - was "actually open for business as usual". But he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme there were "some pockets" of major work, most significantly at London Euston Station, which would be closed from Saturday to Monday. During this time, there will be no trains running from the station to Milton Keynes in Buckinghamshire.

A reduced timetable will operate during the long weekend, and services on the West Coast Main Line will begin and end at Carlisle from Saturday to Monday, with replacement buses covering northern stations.

Meanwhile, half of London Victoria will be shut, with Southeastern trains diverted to London Bridge or London Cannon Street. Routes around Southampton and Brockenhurst will also be hit by closures.

Mr Groves urged passengers travelling during the Easter period to "plan ahead" and check their journeys. But he said the railway network was going to be "actually quieter" than any other Saturday, Sunday or Monday.

(Article continues)



Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360664/30163/4]
Posted by Mark A at 18:46, 18th April 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
Busted. :-)

Also, thanks for checking.

I felt like I was panning for gold. I have since found that the thing is purchaseable from the machines at Bath Spa. After putting in a set of conditions, there it was, gleaming in the pan at the heavy end of the the handful of gravel and sand.

Also, I found that the Trainline web site seems to have a different (and again hard to expose) name for a travelcard zone 1 to 6  - if it's the same thing they call it a London *Underground* zone 1 to 6. Someone's going to have to go and break the news to the likes of Anerley Station or perhaps Loughborough Junction...

Mark


Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360663/30163/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:37, 18th April 2025
 
(Mark's problem was he was trying to be too clever, of course.)

Mark, if you require a second in any subsequent duel, I'm free! 


Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360662/30163/4]
Posted by stuving at 18:20, 18th April 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
So, for the proverbial 'little old lady, living in Bradford on Avon, who wants to visit her sister whom is still living in East London', how does she do all of that - with perhaps limited access / experience of the internet?

She won't: she will take a bus / coach journey instead.  And probably pay less. 

But I don't think that's the problem. Your stereotype is quite likely to just fill in what's asked for: where to, when, coming back? - and press "go". The difficult bit, as everyone acknowledges, is making sense of the choice of ticket types and fares that comes up next. (Mark's problem was he was trying to be too clever, of course.)

Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360661/30163/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:06, 18th April 2025
 
So, for the proverbial 'little old lady, living in Bradford on Avon, who wants to visit her sister whom is still living in East London', how does she do all of that - with perhaps limited access / experience of the internet?

She won't: she will take a bus / coach journey instead.  And probably pay less. 


Re: 10 Reasons that rail investment should continue
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [360660/24275/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:47, 18th April 2025
 
... preference should be given to use of British made materials and employment of British workers.

Unemployment is likely to worsen, and spending public money within the UK economy helps both directly and indirectly.

Foreign made goods might be unavoidable in some circumstances, but preference should be given to UK suppliers unless there is a significant reason to do otherwise.

The UK is "greener" than many of our competitors, and this advantage is diluted by purchasing supplies from many overseas suppliers.

... and then Donald Trump barges his way into the arena ... 


Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360659/30163/4]
Posted by stuving at 17:24, 18th April 2025
 
I don't know where you were putatively travelling from, but from Bath Spa I can get both GWR.com and BRFares to work fine - but perhaps not by doing the obvious. It all depends on what you mean by "destination".

For BRFares, you enter an actual station as destination, but it lists tickets/fares under technical railway-internal destinations. To get offered travelcards, you need to enter a station you could get to using one. So that's a London terminus (Paddington), somewhere before that (e.g. Ealing Broadway), or somewhere beyond that (e.g. a tube station). You will then be offered a range of technical destinations, i.e. a station, London Terminals, or various of those weird zonal things; London Zones 1-6 should be offered if it's meaningful. In the list you get, for each of those there is a range of ticket types; for London Zones 1-6 you are only offered the various Travelcards.

For GWR, I picked Paddington as destination (though other valid travelcard destinations do work) and you then must choose a return and times both on the same day. In the list of trains you have to choose one to be offered a list of ticket types, and the day travelcards should be in that. (It does not seem to offer period travelcards if you specify a return on a later date.) Of course the actual train time chosen is now not important, though off-peak limits still apply.

Re: Four dead in cable car crash south of Naples, Italy - 17 April 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [360658/30160/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:42, 18th April 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

A British couple were among the four people killed in a cable car crash near Naples, Italian police have said.

The mountain cable car cabin plunged to the ground after one of the cables supporting it snapped on Thursday, local officials said.

The cable car operator said it had passed a safety inspection just two weeks ago - and a criminal investigation has now been opened.

The UK foreign office said it was in touch with local authorities but has not confirmed the identities of the victims.

They are believed to be three passengers and the driver of the cable car, who was named by local officials as 59-year-old Carmine Parlato. The fourth person who died was an Israeli woman, according to a spokesperson for the mayor of Castellammare di Stabia.

A fifth person in the cabin, believed to be another tourist, was "extremely seriously injured" in the crash and airlifted to hospital, officials said. They are now in stable condition, the Alpine Rescue Service told the BBC on Friday morning.

Formal identification of the remaining victims has not yet taken place.

Authorities in Torre Annunziata have opened an investigation into the cause of the crash.

Sixteen people were rescued from a second cabin which was also on the line near the bottom of the valley at the time of the accident. They were winched to safety.

The mayor of Castellammare di Stabia - where the cable car is located - said it was believed a traction cable had snapped. "The emergency brake downstream worked but clearly not the one on the cabin that was about to reach the top of the hill," he told Italian media on Thursday. He added that there had been regular safety checks on the cable car line which runs three kilometres from the town to the top of the mountain.

A spokesperson for the UK's foreign office said: "We are dealing with an incident in Italy and are in contact with the local authorities. Our thoughts are with those affected."

Shortly after the crash, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, who was on a trip to Washington, expressed her "sincere condolences" to the families of the victims.

The Mount Faito cable car has been operating since 1952. A similar accident on the line in 1960 left four people dead.



Re: FOSS and FOSW validity - some quirks
In "Fare's Fair" [360657/30127/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:57, 18th April 2025
 
The 'QR code style ticket could be programmed to work, but the magstrip tickets have only 8 bytes of data storage on them & writing used dates isn't possible in that space

Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles
In "The Lighter Side" [360656/11558/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:54, 18th April 2025
 
You have to love the stock image use to illustrate the story though!

More shoddy journalism. 

Yet again, historic pictures of Bristol Temple Meads being used to 'illustrate' any current news story about anywhere on the railways in the south of England.

How about being a professional journalist, and find this picture on the internet to illustrate your story, for example?



CfN. 

Re: Steam trains to return at Severn Beach
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [360655/29794/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:32, 18th April 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Miniature railway opening date postponed


One station will be named after Robert Stride, who developed Severn Beach as a tourist resort in the 1930s

The opening date for a planned miniature railway attraction in South Gloucestershire has been pushed back.

Joe Nemeth, founder of the Severn Beach Miniature Railway said the project had been "stressful" but was also now an "unstoppable force". He had originally intended to open by Easter, but is instead aiming for July.

The postponement came as a result of council delays on the railway's planning application.

For the past few months, Mr Nemeth and his team of volunteers have been preparing the site near the promenade in Severn Beach, and a shipping container has been installed for an engine shed. He has also been offered one of the locomotives and carriages which formerly ran on a railway in nearby Clevedon, and had been sitting in storage for 10 years.

Mr Nemeth eventually plans to build his own carriages for the attraction.

One of the stations will be named "Stride Halt", after Robert Stride, the entrepreneur who turned Severn Beach into a tourist resort in the 1930s, and who built the first railway there.

"Robert even built built the house I live in," Mr Nemeth said. "I'd like to think he would be delighted I'm bringing this back, the resort went downhill for many years but since the Covid pandemic, people have realised what a fantastic place it is to visit. It's the perfect time to do something like this," he added.


The railway has acquired some of the engines it plans to run from the summer

At one point, Mr Nemeth said he considered "pulling the plug" on the project because of the stress. "The delays have cost us money, and it has gobbled up the finance I raised for it. But regardless of the setback, South Gloucestershire Council are really supporting it as they can see the visitors it will bring in and the benefits to groups and young people in the area," he said.



Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360654/30163/4]
Posted by Timmer at 13:28, 18th April 2025
Already liked by froome
 
All sounds straightforward…not.

Re: West Wiltshire Rail User Group - provisional meetings for 2025
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [360653/29605/34]
Posted by grahame at 12:10, 18th April 2025
 
Official poster:


Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360652/30163/4]
Posted by Mark A at 11:58, 18th April 2025
 
Tested the GWR app, and that fails in a different way, 'London Travelcard Zones 1-6' is findable, but 'No fares available'.

On the GWR web site, and logged in, and therefore the search being successful, regarding the ticket's restriction code, the site would still refer the user to the National Rail site, where they need to repeat the search. This is not trivial...

I've also tested brfares.com and *it* can't find e.g. 'London Travelcard Zones 1-6' so no avenue to check the restriction code there.

tl:dr - if you need a 'London Travelcard' destination use a ticket office or log in to the GWR app and that works. After which, take care not to be bitten by a ticket restriction as some of them aren't intuitive, especially if you're venturing into South Western Railways territory with a ticket covering a route that they've priced themselves.

Mark

Re: English Regional Transport Association (ERTA) - now BRTA
In "Who's who on Western railways" [360651/22385/2]
Posted by grahame at 11:52, 18th April 2025
 
From my email



BRTA Westbury Forum

Saturday 10 May 2025 1pm lunch 2-4pm business
Venue: The Railway Inn, Station Road, Westbury BA13 4HW


Agenda:

1.     Appointment of a Chair (not Simon)

2.     Apologies for absence

3.     Radstock-Frome: Can BRTA recruit and fill the gap with research, study, case building and route protection? How?

4.     Taunton-Barnstaple: Councils and agencies need to study and find solutions.

5.     Bristol Metro: LRT should be on road space, Bristol-Portishead should be conventional rail.

6.     New stations - West of England: Do a list for study and assessment on case merits

7.     New stations - South West Main Line and South West Main Line Cinderella Status via Axminster, what can be done/draw a list of ideas

8.     Bristol Temple Meads-Weymouth: How can patronage be enhanced?

9.     New bridge over River Severn

10.    Gloucester-Ross-on Wye-Hereford: needs an Area Rep to work it up.

11.    Severn Twin-Track new rail bridge linking England and Wales for more by rail capacity

12.    Bridport, Seaton, and Lyme Regis re-rail connectivity to main rail

13.    Yeovil curves enabling for example Weymouth-Exeter direct via Yeovil Junction?

14.    14. Any Other Business

15.    Day, date of next forum (scheduled and Exeter for Dr Jonathan Coghill to chair to be decided and put on website page).

BRTA is pro-rail, seeking solutions to overcome problems, not bedevilment. Any queries: ceo@brtarail.com See our website: https://brtarail.com/events/ and our Blogspot: https://brtarailvolunteer.blogspot.com/

and here's the covering letter that makes it clear it's an open / public meeting and gives more of the BRTA flavour

Dear All,
BRTA Westbury Forum 10-05-2025 All Welcome

I attach and list below the agenda BRTA will be tabling at the Westbury Forum. Please come and bring family and friends to gather together and explore, be open minded and help with solutions to overcome problems. 60 years since main closures, so much water under the proverbial bridge, blockages abound, but if there is a case for reopening for all the many benefits it brings, then should we urge councils, agencies and other power-platforms to engage more, study the case merits more and invest in strategies to get local rail back as much as possible for people and goods? Should we like HS2 have a "here's the cheque, move please"? or accept collateral damage, loss, disenfranchisement and estrangement to the 'now' situation on the ground? That is the choice nationwide. Bedford-Cambridge will not be an easy fight, and both old routes and new have their similar problems and power adequacy dilemmas on a budget of £6.4 billion and the Lower Thames Crossing (road only) £8-9 billion was found recently. The South West like the North needs its share and tiered approaches of 1. what can be done now, 2. what is medium term and 3. what is for someone else/wishful thinking? Faith-based realism and pragmatism is not the same as negativity, cynicism and throwing 80% market share to road upgrades which seem abundant, whilst congestion, pollution and parking demands seem endless, when the rail alternative could make a real contribution?

BRTA can plant ideas, make requests and urge powers to invest in studying, making a case, protecting routes and deviation spaces and moving agendas towards delivery incrementally or like Bristol-Portishead as a full blown project which is all weather proof, why? Because the determinism was there and robust.

What BRTA can do is seek to recruit a growing membership, advocate ideas in the media and other consultations and by growing our support base, delegating to Area Reps and them in turn doing the same and growing teams for project work, enabling real advocacy and progress as far as we may, to be realised, actualised and done. Often it is the absence of advocacy come rain or shine, which allows by default routes to be lost, costs to spiral and damage done.

Ross on Wye is teaming with hotspot tourism, the case is readily discernible, the A40 evermore congested, land use for parking is land not available for other things, so talk with the town council and get a dialogue going, but needs capable people.

BRTA seeks those people who take the proverbial 'fish' and turn it into a meal for 5000+ people! Not so much the 'miraculous' but the constant chipping away for a few basics and other things falling into place. If you do not ask, you will never get it. So we seek, ask and find incremental gains become apparent, fanning flames for more.

Yours sincerely,

Richard Pill
BRTA CEO

Ps. Happy Easter and I am clearing my decks for invasive eye surgery in the coming week, which will put me out of action for a while. Thank you.

Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360650/30163/4]
Posted by Mark A at 11:32, 18th April 2025
 
Ah: using the GWR web site, once you're logged in to your GWR account, 'London Travelcard Zones 1-6' is listed on the booking system and no need to go to the accessible version. What an odd quirk.

This isn't so helpful on, say, the national rail site as it doesn't run an account-based model and presumably remembers previous searches using cookies.

Mark

Update: using the above, the travelcard destinations might be findable but the system can then find no fares so this isn't working either. Use the accessible booking engine though, and tickets are found, priced and purchaseable

Re: Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360649/30163/4]
Posted by Mark A at 11:25, 18th April 2025
 
Ah. One way to find the likes of 'London Travelcard Zones 1-6' as a destination: use GWR's web site and switch to the accessible booking tool, and they're available there.

Mark

Destination: London Travelcard Zones 1-6
In "Fare's Fair" [360648/30163/4]
Posted by Mark A at 11:14, 18th April 2025
 
Checking various ticket sales sites + the national rail web site, within the last few days, the 'London Travelcard Zones 1-6' etc have gone from the list of destinations offered.

Mark

Re: FOSS and FOSW validity - some quirks
In "Fare's Fair" [360647/30127/4]
Posted by grahame at 10:52, 18th April 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, rogerw, Mark A, eightonedee, froome
 
Why do "Freedom" tickets always (it seems) fail to operate station barriers?  And why are some staff so helpful and friendly with passengers using them, and others come across as agressive (almost the sort of behaviour which they announce will not be tolerated to staff - but it's OK for staff to make customers feel REALLY small!).

The explanation I have been offered (of the barriers) is that it's a two part ticket and they have to check the write-in section (and they sometimes do check it) but surely with gates so common these days, their systems could monitor the number of days the ticket has been used anyway, and catch people on their 4th day on a 3-of-7 or 9th day on an 8-of-15. Want a bit more than that?  Print a scan code onto the ticket!

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [360646/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 10:00, 18th April 2025
 
Friday April 18

More points failures today:

07:00 Worcester Shrub Hill to Didcot Parkway due 08:46 is being delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:18/04/2025 07:21

Though it's most likely that the problem was at Oxford.
2E77 05:10 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill, the positioning journey for the 07:00, departed Oxford +60 and arrived Shrub Hill +79.
The 07:00 departed +39, running after 1P18 07:13 Great Malvern to London Paddington. It arrived Oxford +38 and was cancelled thereafter.

Re: St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [360645/3828/25]
Posted by froome at 09:25, 18th April 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Which brings me back to my original point. Why was the bus not provided in the winter half of the year? (when while there may be fewer passengers overall, there will still have been a demand for it, and in winter weather the alternative walking route would be even worse to do).

 
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