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Re: Pathfinder Tours to close
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [369880/30795/47]
Posted by grahame at 09:33, 21st December 2025
 
From The BBC

Trainspotters are out in full force today [20.12.2025] to capture the final journey of a historic service.

Pathfinder Railtours based in Stroud, Gloucestershire, has operated for more than 50 years. The company's final service - diesel train D1015 Western Champion - left Salisbury, Wiltshire, at 06:00 GMT as part of the Pathfinders Finale and is due to return by 23:00.

Peter Watts, one of the founders of Pathfinder Railtours, said the team hoped to "go out on a high".

He added: "We have created a void by not running anymore. But voids and vacuums get filled so I would imagine come the new year there will be someone else ready to step into our shoes."

Re: 19th Advent Quiz - Old Pictures - where are they?
In "The Lighter Side" [369879/31292/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:31, 21st December 2025
 
Certainly fits with a period map (courtesy NLS) and it is very different today.

Re: New Towns - suitable stations? - AQ21/2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369878/31305/30]
Posted by John D at 09:14, 21st December 2025
 
A) The First one is Bounds Green, north London

West Wiltshire Rail User Group AGM 2026, and spring meeting
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [369877/31307/34]
Posted by grahame at 09:00, 21st December 2025
 
18th March 2026, Bethesda Church Hall, Trowbridge - close to the station.  West Wiltshire Rail User Group AGM.

20th May 2026, same venue.  Public meeting.

In 2026, there's going to be a lot going on and we will have topical transport speakers relating to our current and future railways in West Wiltshire.


Illustration - at the 2025 AGM

Melksham Transport User Group - meetings for 2026
In "TransWilts line" [369876/31306/18]
Posted by grahame at 08:40, 21st December 2025
 
Public meetings - 12th Mar 2026 (AGM), 9th Jul, 8th Oct

Final venues and speakers to be announced; meetings planned to be early evening after commuter arrivals back into Melksham - typically 18:30 or 19:00 formal start, and will be somewhere in or near the Town Centre.  All welcome..

The Committee meets every 2 months - dates on the front page at https://www.mtug.org.uk - and the group also has key events such as the Carnival, the River and Food Festival, and the Christmas lights in its diary

Re: New Towns - suitable stations? - AQ21/2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369875/31305/30]
Posted by bradshaw at 08:15, 21st December 2025
 
F Falmouth

Re: Walking between stations - AQ20
In "The Lighter Side" [369874/31296/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:44, 21st December 2025
 
I'm filing this quiz in the "too difficult - not a question to be used again" category.

The walks were / are

Chetnole to Maiden Newton
Freshford to Bath Spa
Spean Bridge to Newtonmore
Mallaig to Kyle of Lochalsh
Matlock to Buxton

I note that Google does not recommend the Two Tunnels route, nor the canal towpath, but rather takes you over the top

New Towns - suitable stations? - AQ21/2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369873/31305/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:38, 21st December 2025
 
Our government is planning to provide substantial extra housing around existing infrastructure such as railway stations.  It makes sense rather than building isolated and unconnected communities on fields in the middle of nowhere.  There's more to it than that, though - considerations that it's not wise to build on land that will flood, nor in places so far from anywhere that there's no business  case / prospect of work in reasonable commute distance.  And other services too.  Nor can you really build residences on and where there are already a load of residences unless you're redeveloping tired neighbourhoods or infilling.

Here are 10 maps of random railway stations and there immediate areas, each anonymised.  Which look like they may be candidates for new housing or industry and can you identify where they are?

A.


B.


C.


D.


E.


F.


G.


H.


I.


J.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369872/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 07:01, 21st December 2025
 
Not many connections between Moreton and Kingham either!

Tributes paid to 16-year-old after Loughton Underground Station incident
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369871/31304/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 06:19, 21st December 2025
 
From the BBC:


Daisy House died in hospital on Monday

The family of a 16-year-old have paid tribute to their "bright, beautiful" girl after she died following an incident on the London Underground.

British Transport Police (BTP) officers and paramedics were called to Loughton Underground station, Essex, with reports of a casualty on the tracks.

Daisy House died in hospital and her family said: "Our beautiful daughter Daisy lost her life. She was a bright, beautiful, clever, and funny girl who had just started sixth form and had her whole future ahead of her."

They also thanked the emergency services who tried to save her following the incident at about 14:30 GMT on Monday.

The statement continued: "We thank everyone who has sent best wishes, kind messages, and floral tributes. We would now ask for our privacy to be respected while we come to terms with the loss of our Daisy and what life will be like without our daughter."


Re: Bristol Rail Campaign (FoSBR) AGM
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [369870/31295/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 02:46, 21st December 2025
 
Thank you for your detailed and reasoned (as ever) reply, grahame.

Personally, I prefer the Bristol Rail Campaign (FoSBR) AGM to be held in the evening in Bristol. In the days when I was a commuter into Bristol, any daytime meeting would have required me taking a day's annual leave just to attend. Even now, in my retirement, I still have things to do during the day, so an evening in central Bristol for any meeting of a local transport group is appropriate.

I am a long-time supporter of FoSBR and I intend to, erm, attend that meeting on Wednesday 11 March. Not least because that will be my birthday, and it will enable one of my colleagues (of the squirrel variety) to buy me that pint he owes me.


Re: New year - day out by train and bus to Wells, Glastonbury or Street
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [369869/31299/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 02:22, 21st December 2025
 

Planning this as my first public transport trip of the year - anyone care to join me?


Possibly. I'll need to look into my domestic timetabling arrangements here for that Bank Holiday.


Re: 19th Advent Quiz - Old Pictures - where are they?
In "The Lighter Side" [369868/31292/30]
Posted by TonyN at 23:41, 20th December 2025
 
How about Cromer

Loco Looks to be a midland and Great Northern A Class

https://uk-rail.groups.io/g/main/topic/m_gn_class_a_rebuild_4_4_0/15430126

The Midland & Great Northern (M&GN) Class A Rebuild locomotives started off as a series of 4-4-0s built by Beyer, Peacock & Co. between 1882 and 1888. The first batch of four were built for the Lynn & Fakenham Railway, and the remaining eleven were built for its successor, the Eastern & Midlands Railway. As initially built, all fifteen locomotives closely resembled the London South Western Railway Adams 6ft 7in 4-4-0s that Beyer, Peacock built in 1880.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369866/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 22:45, 20th December 2025
 
11:55 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 14:24 has been reinstated.
It will be terminated at Reading.
It will no longer call at London Paddington.
This is due to the train departing late to maintain customer connections.

This seems an odd explanation. The train arrived at Evesham +6 but departed +27.  Not a lot of connections on offer at Evesham.

The previous London bound service (1P22 1050 Great Malvern to London Paddington) departed Moreton-in-Marsh on time but, according to RTT, left Kingham 65 minutes late - a possible reason for the the 11:55 being held at Evesham?

Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369865/19893/51]
Posted by TonyK at 21:27, 20th December 2025
Already liked by eightonedee, Oxonhutch, Chris from Nailsea, GBM, Mark A, grahame
 
From the BBC:

Driving test touts offer instructors £250 monthly kickbacks

Driving instructors are being offered kickbacks of up to £250 a month to sell their official test-booking login details to touts, a BBC investigation has found.

Touts use these login details to book driving tests in bulk and sell them to learners on WhatsApp and Facebook, charging as much as £500 for tests that should cost no more than £75. This makes it harder for learners to book through legitimate routes and adds to already lengthy waiting times.

The BBC has also uncovered evidence that the outgoing head of the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA), Loveday Ryder, was told about these operations in February - yet some sellers reported to the DVSA are still operating. In response, the DVSA said it does not comment on specific complaints but has zero tolerance for those exploiting learner drivers.

We have identified touts operating in London, Birmingham, Manchester and the Home Counties. Posing as driving instructors, we approached them on WhatsApp and were offered monthly payments in exchange for login details to the DVSA's system, where instructors can book tests.

One tout boasted he worked with more than 1,000 instructors - while another, Anil Ahmed, who goes by the name "Ahadeen", said he signed up two instructors every week. We could not independently verify either of these claims. When we later confronted Mr Ahmed in person he denied any involvement, but we have found significant evidence implicating him.

The BBC has not been able to identify specific driving instructors selling their details but our conversations with these touts, the sheer volume of tests they are selling, and images of test-booking systems shared on WhatsApp suggest hundreds of rogue instructors might be involved.

Separately, 30 instructors we spoke to across Great Britain - England, Scotland and Wales - said they had heard of test slots being sold at huge mark-ups. Ten of them told us they had been approached by touts or had spoken to other instructors who had been.

At the end of October, 642,000 learners in Great Britain were waiting to take a test, with an average wait time of 21 weeks, DVSA data shows. There is a separate system in Northern Ireland.

Waits can be as long as six months, according to learners we spoke to - some say they are turning to touts out of desperation. A recent DVSA survey suggested about one in three learners had used "third parties" to book their driving tests.

Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander recently announced plans to change driving test rules, which it is hoped will stop touts and reduce the backlog. From the spring, only learners - not instructors - will be able to book test slots.

Instructors we spoke to welcomed the Department of Transport's (DfT) proposals, but also said they had been raising these issues for some time and now want to know whether the government will root out rogue teachers. Tests have been bulk-booked and resold for profit for years, but these instructors say it is now getting much worse.


(BBC article continues)



Having spent some time in the investigation of fraud, I have learned that any opportunity to exploit a good idea from the government will indeed be exploited by the ruthless. At the dawn of tax credits, my colleagues and I were given a presentation on how it would work, and immediately pointed out the most glaring gaps in security that would soon be picked up on. We were told not they wouldn't, and as it was another government department, we wouldn't be involved. It took a matter of days for us to notice our prophecy coming to fulfilment, and another year of pointing this out and trying to refer things we spotted before suddenly, a huge programme of tightening up and trying to get the cash back began, along with training staff to deal with the fraud we were so confidently told wouldn't happen.

Years later, the Covid PPE, emergency rules for Universal Credit, bounce-back loans, furlough support etc, etc, suggested that lessons had not been learned, and this driving test fiasco is nothing but the latest initiative to be used for the wrong reason. When I first heard of third parties selling driving tests a couple of years ago, the remedy was obvious to me. It seems that DVSA has now twigged. It looks like it is going to take a long time to sort out. The first step should be to stop tests being booked without the driver number from a provisional licence, with no option to hand the test booking to anyone else. A fair cancellation policy will help sell that to the schools. All instructors who book on behalf of students should be required to reset passwords, and any that abuse the system should face consequences. I'll come out of retirement for a few months to help if need be. I have a clean licence.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369864/31264/30]
Posted by Hafren at 21:05, 20th December 2025
 
After initially completely missing it, knowing one is in GWR territory has made me look again and I realise there's a Rhubarb Loop parly on there, and the middle segment is BTH-BRI.

2 and 7 both have hints at triangular arrangements. I was wondering about northern suburban areas with tangled networks that I don't know too well, and I think I've landed on 7 by brute force i.e. taking a peek at RTT.


The Two Ronnies, The Little Trains of Wales
In "The Lighter Side" [369863/31303/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:43, 20th December 2025
Already liked by eightonedee
 
With my apologies if this has been posted here before on the Coffee Shop forum.

From YouTube, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcyQJbMO4_s 


Re: Holding GWR to account - service reliability
In "TransWilts line" [369862/31113/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:53, 20th December 2025
 
Thank you for that image.  I am minded of a music clip on YouTube, featuring a clearly military band of the pipes and drums of a Scottish Regiment.

There was no image, other than a national flag: just the skirl of pipes and martial beat of the drums - to which someone had added a comment, "Ye want to hear this beside you, not in front of you."

(My highlighting) CfN.

Re: 19th Advent Quiz - Old Pictures - where are they?
In "The Lighter Side" [369861/31292/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 18:07, 20th December 2025
 
Very few companies used somersault signals like these. A big user was the GNR along with MGNR and a selection from the Welsh valleys.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369860/31264/30]
Posted by grahame at 17:50, 20th December 2025
 
1. North Cotswolds
3. Maidenhead to Marlow
4. West Highland Line
5. Yeovil Junction to Pen Mill
6. Newquay to Par
8. Southminster Branch

6 worked out - so that leaves three to get.  Two of these are within GWR territory too

2.


7.


9.


Re: Holding GWR to account - service reliability
In "TransWilts line" [369858/31113/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:32, 20th December 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 

Re: 19th Advent Quiz - Old Pictures - where are they?
In "The Lighter Side" [369857/31292/30]
Posted by TonyN at 17:11, 20th December 2025
 
I think its Aberdeen Waterloo.

Re: 19th Advent Quiz - Old Pictures - where are they?
In "The Lighter Side" [369856/31292/30]
Posted by TonyN at 16:51, 20th December 2025
 
The engine looks like a Highland Railway Loch class 4-4-0 but what looks like a large church tower in the left background is unusual for Scotland.

Re: In and around Cardiff - capital of Wales since 20 December 1955
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [369855/31301/23]
Posted by Mark A at 16:30, 20th December 2025
 
Speaking of holes in bridges, the Midland line's bridge at Locksbrook, on the route into Bath, there's a hand-sized bomb splinter hole in the upstream web of the south side span.

Mark

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369853/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 16:23, 20th December 2025
 
11:55 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 14:24 has been reinstated.
It will be terminated at Reading.
It will no longer call at London Paddington.
This is due to the train departing late to maintain customer connections.

This seems an odd explanation. The train arrived at Evesham +6 but departed +27.  Not a lot of connections on offer at Evesham.

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369852/24934/26]
Posted by Mark A at 16:22, 20th December 2025
 
Wondering if the abstract from this paper relates to the issue - sodium in biofuels via the manufacturing process used for the fuel.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26273275

Mark

Re: 19th Advent Quiz - Old Pictures - where are they?
In "The Lighter Side" [369851/31292/30]
Posted by grahame at 16:01, 20th December 2025
 
9 cannot surely be Carnforth! So far all I have been able to make out is that the locomotive on the right is an Adams LSWR class 135 4-4-0!  So some where on the LSWR system, but where I can't make out. It looks like a terminus, and the only other visual clue is that church tower in  the background.  Does that help anyone solve it?

Any points for identifying the loco, making the picture likely to be between the 1880s and 1920?

It's not Carnforth but unless I have misread the source, it's not on the LSWR system either.  It is a terminus though not one I have visited for many years and when it was very different to shown in this picture.

 
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