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Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [376117/32150/26]
Posted by John D at 09:31, 19th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Although the cancellations are total, and GWR caused (so difference between these numbers are caused by others).

However most passengers are not really interested in who the cancellation is caused by, they simply want a reliable service, and if there is a problem, it gets resolved as fast as possible, and what to do in meantime to get them to their destination explained clearly.

Yesterday I was at Bradford On Avon station and every couple of minutes was automatic announcement: "we are sorry the 09:48 to Portsmouth Harbour is delayed by x minutes.....".  Just robot mode hollow sounding apology, nothing to help or give reassurance to the waiting passengers.  No reason given.   Sort of feels symptomatic of attitude of customer comes last, operating convenience first.

Ok, BoA isn't the biggest station, so someone in control not entering a reason for PA to state, might be deemed low priority, but there is old adage look after pennies and pounds like look after themselves.  In blunt terms if management don't care about passengers starting at smaller stations then not looking after about half their passengers which isn't good enough.  Lose half the passengers and their jobs aren't secure, but they don't seem to get it.

Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [376116/32150/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:25, 19th June 2026
 
.....Anyone else think standards are clearly slipping now, in run up to their nationalisation.

Clearly not the complete picture. There are a number of significant mismatches between All Cancellations & GWR Cancellations in the data and they can only or largely be down to Network Rail. The seemingly daily PAD <> RDG infrastructure failures must be a major contributor to a pretty bleak report.

I would agree with you both.

The current GWR team have an aging fleet to deal with, and also what seems like a worsening infrastructure scenario - though that could be that they're ever more careful now on safety grounds.  It feels like the bridge at Limpley Stoke is closed and trains diverted via Chippenham on a weekly basis, for example, which does not help CDF -> PMH ... and the blame cannot be apportioned to GWR (First employees and contractors) on that sort of issue.

Where I (and others in WWRUG, for example) have noticed an issue is that GWR management is far less available and responsive than it used to be, with an extra layer of marketeers on filtering the technical team, and a very controlled approach of answering less / slower that they used to, and answering with answers that don't answer the question (if you get what I mean) but rather tell us similar / linked data that does not actually address the issue.

I and others are somewhat at a loss about what to do about this (if there is anything we can do).  We do not wish to be "squeaky wheels".   We do not want to shout issues in public, especially in those cases where things are getting slightly better.  And we want to be able to promote the services with them.  Of course, our failure on things like getting a CCIF grant, or the afternoon peak service at DMH replaced now that the original runs empty to aid reliability, or even to get a single call on 1st August in a Weymouth train for a special day out (and that WAS promised ...) is frustrating.

Is it "end of term blues?".  Is it that other newer things such as as the Oxford service, Newquay and Okehampton are now the fashion / focus?  Is it that they are far more ruled by DfT, not interested in anything except short term and impressing the new bosses?   Is it that born and bred train people are replaced more by bright and lovely people but who are new to rail, and perhaps look at costs and accounts and not passenger needs?  Is it an increased regulation and complexity that removes and flexibility and friendliness? I don't know the answer. 

"Ageing fleet"? The IETs have largely only been in service for 8-10 years, the 387 Electrostars much the same!

Re: And for my third trip on this year's Interrail pass ..
In "Introductions and chat" [376115/32142/1]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 09:04, 19th June 2026
 
Mentions of both Clermont-Ferrand (CF) and Nimes brought back memories of a couple of long weekend rugby trips from a few years back. I used Eurostar & SNCF for both trips; for CF I took the direct Paris Bercy services - not quick but plenty of stunning scenery. CF was a lovely place to wander around and obviously the rack railway run to the top of Puy-de-Dome was a must do. But disappointingly it was discovered that, as Jethro might have said, 'CF closes Sunday!'. After much searching we accepted the Stade Marcel Michelin McDonalds was going to be the only source of sustenance.

A long weekend in Montpellier, for which I used the Gare de Lyon TGV's, was particularly notable for a 1-hour delay at Nimes on the way back to Paris. This was a result of the line being blocked by the local Sapeurs-Pompiers indulging in traditional French public sector industrial action. The protesters were eventually persuaded to move by the police; I was not aware of any force being used. Having missed my connection at Gare du Nord I was happily rebooked by Eurostar using the original ticket. Under the same circumstances at Paddington GWR refused point-blank to take the same approach (yes I know, entirely my fault for having an Advance ticket).

Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [376114/32150/26]
Posted by grahame at 08:39, 19th June 2026
 
.....Anyone else think standards are clearly slipping now, in run up to their nationalisation.

Clearly not the complete picture. There are a number of significant mismatches between All Cancellations & GWR Cancellations in the data and they can only or largely be down to Network Rail. The seemingly daily PAD <> RDG infrastructure failures must be a major contributor to a pretty bleak report.

I would agree with you both.

The current GWR team have an aging fleet to deal with, and also what seems like a worsening infrastructure scenario - though that could be that they're ever more careful now on safety grounds.  It feels like the bridge at Limpley Stoke is closed and trains diverted via Chippenham on a weekly basis, for example, which does not help CDF -> PMH ... and the blame cannot be apportioned to GWR (First employees and contractors) on that sort of issue.

Where I (and others in WWRUG, for example) have noticed an issue is that GWR management is far less available and responsive than it used to be, with an extra layer of marketeers on filtering the technical team, and a very controlled approach of answering less / slower that they used to, and answering with answers that don't answer the question (if you get what I mean) but rather tell us similar / linked data that does not actually address the issue.

I and others are somewhat at a loss about what to do about this (if there is anything we can do).  We do not wish to be "squeaky wheels".   We do not want to shout issues in public, especially in those cases where things are getting slightly better.  And we want to be able to promote the services with them.  Of course, our failure on things like getting a CCIF grant, or the afternoon peak service at DMH replaced now that the original runs empty to aid reliability, or even to get a single call on 1st August in a Weymouth train for a special day out (and that WAS promised ...) is frustrating.

Is it "end of term blues?".  Is it that other newer things such as as the Oxford service, Newquay and Okehampton are now the fashion / focus?  Is it that they are far more ruled by DfT, not interested in anything except short term and impressing the new bosses?   Is it that born and bred train people are replaced more by bright and lovely people but who are new to rail, and perhaps look at costs and accounts and not passenger needs?  Is it an increased regulation and complexity that removes and flexibility and friendliness? I don't know the answer. 

Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376113/22806/31]
Posted by REVUpminster at 08:04, 19th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Feeding the workers would not have been a problem. The much later Romans noted how efficient the farmers were compared to those on mainland Europe.

Julius Caesars two expeditions (Putin would have called it special military operations) opened up Southern Britain to trade with Rome.
For the next hundred years that trade grew. Food was always a problem for the Romans relying on Egypt in the south and they wanted a bread basket in the north and by the time of Claudius were buying food from Britain to feed the legions on the Rhine.

The Roman fleet based at Boulogne had sailed round Britain and were fighting channel pirates. I like to think the British farmers put the prices up so Claudius invaded, using much of Caligula's plans.

Re: Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [376112/32150/26]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:57, 19th June 2026
 
.....Anyone else think standards are clearly slipping now, in run up to their nationalisation.

Clearly not the complete picture. There are a number of significant mismatches between All Cancellations & GWR Cancellations in the data and they can only or largely be down to Network Rail. The seemingly daily PAD <> RDG infrastructure failures must be a major contributor to a pretty bleak report.

Re: Lost waterway of Melksham - Wiltshire & Berkshire Canal Trust
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [376111/31863/47]
Posted by JohnM at 07:54, 19th June 2026
 
Well that's weird - no, still not working for me, at least not on my laptop. But it's ok on my phone.

Perhaps it's my (work) laptop's VPN that's getting in the way, although it doesn't seem to affect anything else.

Dreadful GWR performance figures
In "Across the West" [376110/32150/26]
Posted by John D at 07:39, 19th June 2026
 
GWR have recently published latest 4 weekly performance
Covers 3 - 30 May 2026

https://www.gwr.com/-/media/gwr-sc-website/files/publications/performance-report/gwr-performance-report-period-2702.pdf

Cancellations 4.44%
with huge 9.89% on South Wales-South coast routes

Less than 3 in 5 trains on time (59.28%)
Nearly 1 in 4 not within more relaxed within 3 minutes
4.33% of those that ran, were more than 15 minutes late.

349 trains (about 12.5 per day) were shortformed below DfT agreed length

Anyone else think standards are clearly slipping now, in run up to their nationalisation.

Re: And for my third trip on this year's Interrail pass ..
In "Introductions and chat" [376109/32142/1]
Posted by Mark A at 07:37, 19th June 2026
 
Delighted that the (first half) of your travel plans for yesterday worked out (and that the skies were good too.) And that the train presumably had air-con.

Mark

Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376108/32149/40]
Posted by John D at 07:25, 19th June 2026
 
Will the arrival into Parliament of Andy Burnham - who's done so much to flagship changes and developments of public transport in the Manchester area, and who's a Labour heavyweight make any difference indirectly to the government's direction and approaches to public transport - trains, buses, etc, in the south / west of England and South Wales? 

Manchester (for which Andy is famous) has a high population density (a.k.a. is largely urban).  Would he be inclined to make a difference in urban areas such as Bristol, Plymouth and Exeter or would his influence across the UK spread to areas which are described as "rural" but which are in practice a series of urban townships where most people live, separated from one another by a handful of miles of countryside?

Difficult to know how he sees more rural Britain, he was born near Liverpool, grew up in Culcheth (a village north east across motorway from Warrington), attended school in Newton-le-Willows, went to Cambridge University.   So most of his first 20 years was in smaller towns rather than busy urban areas.

But seems he understands the other metro mayors, so might be more sympathetic to Bristol, and apparently isn't a great fan of London centric policies.  So I think it will be case of wait and see.

Re: Lost waterway of Melksham - Wiltshire & Berkshire Canal Trust
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [376107/31863/47]
Posted by Mark A at 07:22, 19th June 2026
 
Hi - it's working for me from here, at the moment. Perhaps something went offline first thing. Is it working for you too, now?

Mark

Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376106/22806/31]
Posted by Marlburian at 07:11, 19th June 2026
 
There have been various theories about how some of the stones were transported apparently hundreds of miles, but one might also consider the logistics of assembling the construction workers and their families from a wide area and then feeding them during their labours.

Were the workers rotated, returning home after some months, or did they settle permanently nearby?

No doubt a few at least of the countless books about Stonehenge cover such points.

(The same points also relate to Avebury, Silbury Hill and Wansdyke  - the rampart and deep ditch that crosses Wiltshire, with the most impressive stretch being east of the Beckhampton-Devizes road.)

Re: Lost waterway of Melksham - Wiltshire & Berkshire Canal Trust
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [376105/31863/47]
Posted by JohnM at 07:03, 19th June 2026
 
This site can’t be reached
www.pewshamchippenham.co.uk’s server IP address could not be found.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376104/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:13, 19th June 2026
 
Posted at the same time as those alterations were “additional” trains from Westbury to Southampton Central and Swindon to Worcester Foregate Street. 

So at least some commuters were served.

Indeed - somewhat ironic that the extras were on sections of the route where there are alternatives.  Just saying.

Re: And for my third trip on this year's Interrail pass ..
In "Introductions and chat" [376103/32142/1]
Posted by grahame at 06:11, 19th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A, chuffed
 
Excellent. Hope you made the train. Hope you ever have mobile signal again...

Mark

I made the train and indeed 5.25 hours later have arrived in Nimes ... to find all the other trains in utter chaos due to "person hit by train".  Stopping for lunch.

Some picture from that trip ... though they don't do the line justice.  Stops, panorama pictures, non-reflective windows and fewer line side trees would all have helped ...











Thoroughly recommend - pictures don't do justice to the scenery.   Three trains a day (if I had missed the 06:45, next would have left at lunch time). Few through passengers, but significant numbers towards the ends of the line where we started with a substantial commuter traffic, and a sprinkling along the way too getting on and off at the townships we called at.

And on arrival in Nimes ...


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376102/31359/18]
Posted by bobm at 05:54, 19th June 2026
 
Posted at the same time as those alterations were “additional” trains from Westbury to Southampton Central and Swindon to Worcester Foregate Street. 

So at least some commuters were served.

Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376101/32149/40]
Posted by grahame at 05:28, 19th June 2026
 
Will the arrival into Parliament of Andy Burnham - who's done so much to flagship changes and developments of public transport in the Manchester area, and who's a Labour heavyweight make any difference indirectly to the government's direction and approaches to public transport - trains, buses, etc, in the south / west of England and South Wales? 

Manchester (for which Andy is famous) has a high population density (a.k.a. is largely urban).  Would he be inclined to make a difference in urban areas such as Bristol, Plymouth and Exeter or would his influence across the UK spread to areas which are described as "rural" but which are in practice a series of urban townships where most people live, separated from one another by a handful of miles of countryside?

Handling of customer delays - a key to passenger satisfaction
In "Across the West" [376100/32148/26]
Posted by grahame at 05:15, 19th June 2026
 
I noted a BBC report yesterday at  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36y5ezr0k7o

Transport Focus chief executive Alex Robertson said: "This is the first report of its kind.

"I'm optimistic the railway understands the importance of using it to create a more customer focused culture and we'll be holding them to account to make sure they do."

The chief executive also stated more than nine in 10 people would report a positive experience if a delay was "handled well – a remarkably high figure given their train is late – but this falls to one in four when it isn't".

I note he finds it "remarkable" that the figure is so high.  I don't - it just confirms the incredible importance of helping customers if their journeys are held up, in addition to the operational matters of getting things running sweetly again.


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376099/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 04:39, 19th June 2026
 

Oh dear ...

05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10
05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10 will be terminated at Swindon.
It will no longer call at Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey and Southampton Central.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham, Swindon, Kemble, Stroud, Stonehouse, Gloucester, Cheltenham Spa, Ashchurch For Tewkesbury, Worcester Shrub Hill and Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

We are not the only ones ... Gunnislake also lost their first train and in our area also

07:00 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 08:20
09:08 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 10:26
11:03 Oxford to Bristol Temple Meads due 12:13
13:09 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 14:29
21:10 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 22:27

21:10 Bristol Temple Meads to Oxford due 22:27 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

No advice to passengers on Journeycheck as what they should do.  With the 06:29 southbound cancelled at Melksham, the next train is at 09:10 - ouch.   With the 07:21 in the other direction cancelled, the first train in the 08:02.   With both trains cancelled, connections to the Bristol travel-to-work area are blown.  Normal customer advice would be to catch the 271/272 bus to Manver Street in Bath and cross the road into Bath Spa station for an ongoing train, but road works in Bath have Manvers Street closed for the summer and autumn.

Cut and paste passenger advice (not given this time) suggests "Option 4 - consider postponing your journey" which just might be OK for the leisure market.  My personal suggestion would be the Bath bus and walk across the city for fit people, or perhaps the x34 to Trowbridge (Trinity Church for the station) or Chippenham (where the early and Sunday services call at the railway station).

Re: Collision between two trains at Llanbrynmair, in Powys, Wales - 21 October 2024
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376098/29345/51]
Posted by Mark A at 21:02, 18th June 2026
 
30mph. Ugh. Passenger here: to any drivers reading this, in the most unlikely case that you find your train is in this predicament, it's fine, once you've set its systems to do their best, to see you out of your cab and heading down the first carriage.

Mark

Re: Birmingham based CrossCountry ranked Britain's worst train operator - March 2026
In "Cross Country services" [376097/32147/43]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:30, 18th June 2026
 
And Chiltern are somewhat surprisingly, bottom of the LSE operators.

Birmingham based CrossCountry ranked Britain's worst train operator - March 2026
In "Cross Country services" [376096/32147/43]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:17, 18th June 2026
 
From the BBC:

Birmingham based CrossCountry ranked Britain's worst train operator

Train operator CrossCountry has been told to raise its performance, after receiving the worst score in a passenger survey.

In three months to the end of March, 72% of Birmingham-based CrossCountry's stops at stations were made within three minutes of the schedule, while 7% of services were cancelled, said Transport Focus.

The watchdog added that of those surveyed, 79% were satisfied with the Arriva Group-owned operator, 77% reported being satisfied with their journey's punctuality and reliability, and 46% said they were satisfied with how the company dealt with delays. The operator said despite slight improvements in some areas, it knew it "must do more to deliver the service our customers rightly deserve".

Transport Focus has asked CrossCountry to improve the passenger experience, reduce delays, provide better information during disruption and cut overcrowding on services.

Hull Trains achieved the best overall satisfaction score at 94%, followed by LNER with 93%.

87% of passengers overall said they were satisfied with their journey and disabled passengers reported lower satisfaction than non-disabled passengers, at 85%. More than 100,000 passengers were questioned in the six months to the end of March.

CrossCountry, the Arriva Group-owned operator, runs long-distance trains serving cities such as Cambridge, Cardiff and Manchester.

Mark Anderson, CrossCountry's customer and commercial director, said that looking forward, its refurbished trains were "transforming" journeys and its new timetable was "delivering better regional connectivity across the country".

"We're always working to improve onboard experience – from cleaning to catering, better wi-fi and clearer information during disruption. In particular, we know that crowding is a challenge and we're working with industry partners to explore all possible options to ease this."

Transport Focus chief executive Alex Robertson said: "This is the first report of its kind. I'm optimistic the railway understands the importance of using it to create a more customer focused culture and we'll be holding them to account to make sure they do."

The chief executive also stated more than nine in 10 people would report a positive experience if a delay was "handled well – a remarkably high figure given their train is late – but this falls to one in four when it isn't".

(BBC article includes graphics, with drop-down menus for individual providers)


Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376095/22806/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:58, 18th June 2026
 
An update, from the BBC:

Simpler, older version of Stonehenge found three miles from famous site

Archaeologists believe they have discovered an earlier, much simpler version of Stonehenge about 3 miles (5km) away from the prehistoric monument.

All that remains of the older structure is two holes in the ground, but the team says they held wooden posts that lined up with the Sun on the summer and winter solstices - the longest and shortest days of the year - in the same way as Stonehenge.

The site has been dated to about 5,000 years old, which predates Stonehenge by 500 years. Artefacts were also found at the site, including pottery, flint tools and animal bone, suggesting prehistoric people held gatherings there.

Phil Harding, from Wessex Archaeology, who led the excavation, said it was one of the best finds of his long career. "Two post pits tell me [much] more about the people 5,000 years ago," he said. "This tells me about the whole community, this tells me about how they were thinking, how they were behaving, how they were revering the heavens."

......

The structure, discovered in the village of Bulford, was a much more simple construction made up of just two wooden posts, which have long since rotted away. They were positioned 120m (394ft) apart and estimated to be between 2m and 4m high.

When Harding uncovered the intriguing holes, he noticed that they seemed to line up with the Sun, just like Stonehenge located a few miles away. "I got my pencil and ruler, and I joined them up, and I was aware that they were kind of pointing in the general direction of the sunrise on midsummer," he said.

(BBC article continues, with more details, images and explanations)


While this has absolutely nothing to do with the railways, public transport or indeed any other means of travel, I do recommend it as a fascinating development in our understanding of history.

CfN. 

Re: New ORR data, GWR shrinks 3% in a year
In "Across the West" [376094/32145/26]
Posted by grahame at 18:41, 18th June 2026
 
Just had a thought, if the branch lines affected by flooding were operated by short trains, which were suspended, and train lengths on average got shorter, then figures to some extent masking bigger train lengths cuts elsewhere on network


Gotta love stats!

Re: Collision between two trains at Llanbrynmair, in Powys, Wales - 21 October 2024
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376093/29345/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:59, 18th June 2026
 
An update, from the BBC:

Train crash that killed one man and injured four others could have been avoided

A head-on fatal collision between two trains in mid Wales could have been avoided, an investigation has found.

One passenger died and four other people were seriously injured when two trains collided in the village of Talerddig, Powys, in October 2024.

An investigation by the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) has concluded the crash would not have happened if one or both of the automatic and manual sanding systems - which increase wheel adhesion to the rails - had been activated.

Transport for Wales (TfW) and Network Rail said that while incidents of this nature were "extremely rare", they would consider the report's recommendations to "help prevent a similar incident".

Tudor Evans from Capel Dewi in Aberystwyth was travelling home from a holiday in Italy when he died on the westbound train.

The 66-year-old was a passenger in the rear carriage of the train to Aberystwyth, as were other people who were seriously injured in the crash just before 19:00 on 21 October, 2024.

The driver of the Shrewsbury train was also seriously injured – the RAIB said he was in the process of leaving the cab when the crash happened and became trapped.

The trains, both operated by Transport for Wales, were travelling on the Cambrian Line. Most of the Cambrian Line is single track but there is a section of dual track near to where the crash happened called the Talerddig Loop. The trains were meant to pass each other in the loop but, on the night of the collision, the train heading towards Aberystwyth was unable to stop despite the brakes being fully applied.

The RAIB said the train slid through the loop and rejoined the single-track section, continuing towards a slope heading for the train coming from the opposite direction. As it slid down the hill, the train gathered speed and collided head on with the train heading towards Shrewsbury.

The RAIB investigators found that, at the point of impact, the Aberystwyth train was travelling at 24mph, and the Shrewsbury train at just 6mph – the driver of the Shrewsbury train had managed to slow down after being warned by the signaller that the other train had failed to stop in the loop. However, due to the failed sanding systems and low wheel-rail adhesion, the speed "was such that the deceleration required to slow the train for the loop could not be sustained".

Both trains involved were fitted with two separate sanding systems – an automatic one which is designed to deliver sand when the train is braking, and an emergency sander, which is activated manually to deliver sand to the front wheels.

The report found "the automatic sander did not function, probably due to the presence of electrical faults in its control circuit, while the manually-operated emergency sander was not activated by the driver". It also noted the "driver stated that it had not occurred to them to use the emergency sanders", with the author of the report adding the driver was not made aware that the automatic system had not sprayed sand on the train's wheels. The report also concluded that adverse weather conditions were another crucial factor in causing the collision.

The RAIB recommended that Transport for Wales should review training, development and processes to ensure train drivers are "competent in actions which may be required in abnormal or emergency situations, and that this competency is appropriately maintained". It added the review should "specifically consider the competencies relating to making emergency calls and the use of emergency sanding systems".

(BBC article continues)


The full Rail Accident Investigation Branch report is available on the RAIB website.

Re: New ORR data, GWR shrinks 3% in a year
In "Across the West" [376092/32145/26]
Posted by John D at 17:30, 18th June 2026
 
Just had a thought, if the branch lines affected by flooding were operated by short trains, which were suspended, and train lengths on average got shorter, then figures to some extent masking bigger train lengths cuts elsewhere on network

Re: New ORR data, GWR shrinks 3% in a year
In "Across the West" [376091/32145/26]
Posted by John D at 17:27, 18th June 2026
 
Thought it worth a topic, because clearly cutting the trains whilst increasing passengers is controversial

It *is* (worth a topic) but we need to be very careful in how we read the stats.  Is there a stat reporting the distance or time the average passenger spends on a train?  Especially over the years.  If journey length drops, then more people can use the same seat ... I'm not suggesting it's happened.


Yes, the quarterly summary takes data from ORR spreadsheets that are public, so if for instance want to compare to say 2019 (last year pre-Covid) or compare to say 10 or 15 years ago, can do so.

ORR tables give numbers for each Operator
table 1223 is number of passenger journeys
table 1233 is passenger km (passengers multiplied by distance)
So if divide one by other get average journey length

table 1243 is train km (distance operated)
table 1253 is vehicle (each carriage) km
So if divide, get average number of carriages per train

Clearly can compare average number of carriages now, to earlier dates, or do other ratios such as average number of passengers per coach, or change in average journey length etc.

Of course if go back to far, then need to factor in things like 26m IET vehicles vs 23m HST coaches which distorts crowding as number of seats in each type are different.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376090/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 14:53, 18th June 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
Another move from Wolverton cancelled today. Probably only wanted for spare parts. The Paignton training train only lasted two days.
14 trains and lucky if a third operational. If they had shown such patience with the 769s.. GWR management must be demob happy. He who laughs last has found someone else to blame.

Re: New ORR data, GWR shrinks 3% in a year
In "Across the West" [376089/32145/26]
Posted by grahame at 14:43, 18th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Thought it worth a topic, because clearly cutting the trains whilst increasing passengers is controversial

It *is* (worth a topic) but we need to be very careful in how we read the stats.  Is there a stat reporting the distance or time the average passenger spends on a train?  Especially over the years.  If journey length drops, then more people can use the same seat ... I'm not suggesting it's happened.

I could also point out that shortening quieter (mid evening trains and late night trains on Monday to Wednesday) may be an efficiency saving - plenty of space.  "At home" I welcome 3 carriages rather than 2 on daytime trains - but on the trains between 19:00 and 21:00 2 is adequate and 3 - when it happens - unnecessary. 

Re: Lost waterway of Melksham - Wiltshire & Berkshire Canal Trust
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [376088/31863/47]
Posted by Mark A at 14:37, 18th June 2026
 
The canal people have plans, also, there are proposals for a major housing development at Pewsham. It would be good if the latter didn't clash with the former and there's an opportunity to influence the developers.

Mark


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