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Re: Is it the "6 foot" or the "4 foot 9 inches'?
In "Railway History and related topics" [380548/32589/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:00, 6th October 2026
 
I have updated the definition of 'OCR' in our Coffee Shop forum's Abbreviations & Acronyms page.

CfN.

Re: Rail trespassers warned to 'stay off the tracks' by Network Rail and Police
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380547/30982/51]
Posted by bobm at 21:54, 6th October 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
It’s a classic case of dealing with all eventualities.   You have to assume that anyone the wrong side of the fence is a vulnerable person.

The reality is many know full well what they are doing and enjoy the thrill of it.  However for the authorities it’s not a risk worth taking. 

You also have to consider the effect it has on railway staff if the worst happens.   It’s not an easy problem to solve. 



Re: Rail trespassers warned to 'stay off the tracks' by Network Rail and Police
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380546/30982/51]
Posted by johnneyw at 21:44, 6th October 2026
 
What are the drones going to do?  Drop skyhooks and lift the trespassers off the railway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt3Uj6H8JI ?

The "no nonsense" enforcement mode.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380545/32456/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:34, 6th October 2026
 
Indeed.

See 'The Andromeda Strain', a novel which rather spooked me, when I read it, in the early 1970s.

CfN.

Is it the "6 foot" or the "4 foot 9 inches'?
In "Railway History and related topics" [380544/32589/55]
Posted by grahame at 21:18, 6th October 2026
 
An accident report from 7th October 1854, where a passenger in one train - travelling in a good vehicle designed for use on railways with a 6 foot gap - was killed by a door on a passing train swinging open and fouling the second train.   The report at  https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/BoT_Felling1854.pdf is scanned and of low quality for accurate OCR, but you will get the gist of it

I am Council for Trade to transmit to you the enclosed copy of the report of the okccr appointed d by their Lordships to inquire into the circumstances attending the fatal accident that occurred on the 7th ultimo to a third class passenger on the North Eastern Railway.

My Lords desire mc to point out that it would appear that this accident maybe traced to the fact that, notwithstanding that the space t)between adjacent lines of way upon the North Eastern Railway is considerably less than that usually allowed on other lines, carriages belonging to other railway Companies much wider than those which the lmc was originally intended to receive, are allowed to travel upon it.

This poor man's life would probably have been saved if he had been riding in a roofed carriage, or if there were sufficient room between the carriages on separate lines of rails, to allow of a door swinging freely between them.

The blow which inflicted the damage that was done on this occasion to the Great Northern van, might still more easily have killed one or more passengers looking from the windows of the express train ; and I cannot, therefore, avoid remarking upon the danger that seems to exist, as long as carriages adapted for an intermediate space of six feet, are used on a line where the intermediate space is only 4' 9", and without any special means of protection being employed.

I fear that any recommendation as to the widening of the gauge would be of but little avail, on account of the difficulties that would necessarily attend such an operation ; I shall therefore not. do nlore than express, for the Company's consideration, a hope that open carriages may not be used, that the rolling stock of the company used on this line may be suited to the circumstances of the case, and that such regulations may bc made, as to the ac!inission of rolling stock from other lincs, and from the lines of other companies, on this portion of the North Eastern Railway Company's line, as may bc necessary to ensure the safety of the public.

I would also beg to suggest, for the Company's consideration, that it would be better not to allow passengers, such as the old man" above referred to, to ride in any vehicle but those intended for the conveyance of passengers.

I have mirrored the report for members at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/BoT_Felling1854.pdf

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380543/32584/10]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:13, 6th October 2026
 
This is often a risk when a train is in reverse formation.

A train I was on yesterday was bound for Weston-super-Mare but had the first class coaches leading.

There were two parties heading for Yatton in standard class and their seat reservations were in coach B - which would normally be platformed at Yatton (and indeed Nailsea & Backwell) but with the train in reverse they would be off the back.

The train manager spotted it when he checked their tickets and suggested they got out at Temple Meads and walked down the platform to coach G.

Indeed: if you are travelling on any long train (a technical term) westwards and wanting to alight at Nailsea & Backwell, you need to be in the front four carriages - whatever their alpha/numeric designation. 

CfN. 

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380542/32456/31]
Posted by broadgage at 21:11, 6th October 2026
 
Plague outbreak in russia.
ANOTHER reason to be prepared.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv5yn3nwp5n5o

Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [380541/17562/23]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:31, 6th October 2026
 
The night time journey south starts back in Holyhead

Re: On This Day - 6 October 1829 - Rainhill trials of steam engines, in Lancashire
In "Railway History and related topics" [380540/32587/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:44, 6th October 2026
 
From the British Library - https://www.bl.uk/stories/blogs/posts/catch-me-who-can-trevithicks-steam-locomotive-demonstration-of-1808
In September 1808, the Cornish engineer Richard Trevithick exhibited and operated a steam engine called Catch Me Who Can on a circular track of about 100 feet in radius, on a site to the south of Euston Road within walking distance of the British Library. This was the first time in the world that a steam locomotive was used to haul paying passengers on a railway. (It was not the first time that passengers had been carried by steam at all, as five years earlier Trevithick had carried passengers on a steam-powered road vehicle, the London Steam Carriage, and in 1804 had used the world's first steam railway locomotive to haul employees of the Penydarren ironworks in Wales.)

I am always happy to see Richard Trevithick given the sometimes belated recognition he deserves - never mind those upstart Stephensons. 


Re: On This Day - 6 October 1829 - Rainhill trials of steam engines, in Lancashire
In "Railway History and related topics" [380539/32587/55]
Posted by grahame at 18:15, 6th October 2026
 
The Rainhill trials of the first steam locomotives were held in Lancashire (now Merseyside), from 6 to 14 October 1829.

See Wikipedia for excellent coverage of that historic event.

Thanks for starting a thread on that important event - however, we need to take care of the description. Perhaps the first railway to run paid passenger trains between places using steam traction?

From the British Library - https://www.bl.uk/stories/blogs/posts/catch-me-who-can-trevithicks-steam-locomotive-demonstration-of-1808

In September 1808, the Cornish engineer Richard Trevithick exhibited and operated a steam engine called Catch Me Who Can on a circular track of about 100 feet in radius, on a site to the south of Euston Road within walking distance of the British Library. This was the first time in the world that a steam locomotive was used to haul paying passengers on a railway. (It was not the first time that passengers had been carried by steam at all, as five years earlier Trevithick had carried passengers on a steam-powered road vehicle, the London Steam Carriage, and in 1804 had used the world's first steam railway locomotive to haul employees of the Penydarren ironworks in Wales.)

And not a locomotive but in some ways a "steam engine' - the first use of steam power was to turn kebabs

* The Inventor: Taqi al-Din was a famous 16th-century Ottoman astronomer, engineer, and mathematician.
* The Device: In his 1551 book, he described a copper water boiler with a pipe that directed a jet of steam onto a rotating vane wheel.
* The Purpose: The wheel turned a spit to cook meat evenly without manual labor.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380538/32456/31]
Posted by broadgage at 18:02, 6th October 2026
 
The desirability of keeping food for few days was noted on tonight's "five news at five"

Wales: M4 junction closures and new Menai bridge in plans to tackle congestion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380537/32588/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:49, 6th October 2026
 
From the BBC:

M4 junction closures and new Menai bridge in plans to tackle congestion on Welsh roads


The Welsh government has announced plans to tackle congestion in north and south Wales - Image © Getty Images

Junctions on the M4 in Newport could close, and a new bridge built across the Menai Strait, as part of Welsh government plans for two notorious transport bottlenecks.

It will also begin an 18-month project looking at a range of "roads-based" options for the M4, that could include a new motorway or expanding the Brynglas Tunnels.

Ministers are considering whether to close or partially close three junctions, potentially by 2028. However, a review has warned that closing them could cause increased congestion and noise on alternative routes.

It is not clear at this stage how anything would be paid for - the new Menai crossing could cost up to £700m and take up to 10 years to be built.

It is the latest set of proposals to tackle congestion on the M4, after plans for a relief road were developed in the 2010s and axed by former Labour first minister Mark Drakeford in 2019.

The government said that Transport for Wales would provide support to "accelerate delivery" of train stations in Cardiff Parkway, Magor and Undy stations.

Proposed junction closures were criticised by the city's council leader, Dimitri Batrouni, while the Tories and Reform called for the Welsh government to get on with an M4 Relief Road.

In south Wales, the Welsh government is to hold an 18-month study that will look at a range of options for what it says are "road-based solutions" to congestion on the motorway.

Ministers have ruled out the black route previously proposed for the M4 Relief Road - a new motorway south of Newport along the Gwent Levels.  However, it is understood that the study could still include a new motorway south of Newport.

Other options include widening the Brynglas Tunnels - one of the most significant causes of congestion on the M4 in Wales.

The Welsh government also plans a five-year programme of changes to deliver "shorter-term benefits", including "a delivery plan to improve how the motorway is operated and managed".

In a statement, Deputy Transport Minister Mark Hooper said this could include potential junction closures in and around Newport to improve traffic flow.  "The review found that measures such as these offer some of the quickest opportunities to improve traffic flow and resilience on the M4," he said.

The government is considering closing junction 27 - at High Cross, and east-facing slip roads at junction 26 - Malpas, and junction 25 - Caerleon.  However, firm decisions have not been made and ministers want to consider the impact on local roads, and speak to Newport council, before it goes ahead.

The announcement follows a review by transport consultants at ARUP on some of the options that could be implemented along the M4 corridor, which warned that public acceptance of the junction closures was "likely to be low" among their users.  It said: "There is a risk that economic costs would be redistributed rather than reduced, with poorer access for local businesses and increased congestion, noise and delay on alternative routes."

The review put the cost at £14m would reduce traffic by an estimated 3%.  "The capital cost would [be] relatively affordable, but the option would likely provide limited long-term value," the review said.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [380536/17562/23]
Posted by grahame at 17:35, 6th October 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
link to bookings please?


According to my friend Mr Google:

https://taithcymru.tfw.wales/

Re: Rail trespassers warned to 'stay off the tracks' by Network Rail and Police
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380535/30982/51]
Posted by JohnM at 17:26, 6th October 2026
 
What are the drones going to do?  Drop skyhooks and lift the trespassers off the railway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt3Uj6H8JI ?

Re: Rail trespassers warned to 'stay off the tracks' by Network Rail and Police
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380534/30982/51]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 17:16, 6th October 2026
 
From the BBC:

Trespass incidents cause almost 10,000 minutes of delays



Trespass incidents caused almost 10,000 minutes of delays to South Western Railway (SWR) services for the 2025/26 period.

Data released by Network Rail and British Transport Police (BTP) shows that 9,437 minutes worth of delays were caused, equivalent to about six and a half days.

Across England, trespass, cable theft and obstruction caused more than 3,300 hours of delays during the same period, making it one of the railway's biggest causes of disruption, with a significant impact on customers.

The SWR network had the third-highest rate of vandalism and obstruction across Network Rail's 14 routes, including deliberately placed items such as debris and other pieces of track on the railway.

The rail firm said an additional risk on its network was the fact it uses a third rail as electricity supply.  It carries 750 volts of direct current, which can cause severe or lifechanging injuries, or death.

As part of a new campaign launched by SWR and Network Rail, drones, sensors and smart CCTV are being rolled out to make it easier to catch and prevent trespassers.

The use of drones is a new strategy, which has been trialled at London Waterloo station.  Further drone units have been planned for Clapham Junction, New Malden and Walton-on-Thames.

Tom Desmond, operations director for SWR, said: "Trespass is one of the leading causes of disruption on our network, delaying our customers' journeys and costing taxpayers.  As part of our plan to deliver more reliable journeys, we're working with partners to reduce these types of incidents and improve our response so that we can keep services running."



What are the drones going to do?  Drop skyhooks and lift the trespassers off the railway?

Would a combination of more on-the-ground staff, education, and enforcement/legal action/punishment be more effective? 

Re: Fears grow that high diesel prices could lead to more cyclists
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [380533/32586/50]
Posted by Mark A at 17:15, 6th October 2026
 
*snip*  the high cost of provision and maintenance of infrastructure on cycles, and to the NHS for the repair of cyclists damaged on the road. *snip*

On the NHS front, the data shows that the burden from cycling is more than compensated for by the reduction in cardiovascular patients (etc) that the health service sees. A bit of a deep dive from the BMJ in 2024 is focussed on cycle commuting in particular.

https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m336

Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [380532/17562/23]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:24, 6th October 2026
 
link to bookings please?

Re: Fears grow that high diesel prices could lead to more cyclists
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [380531/32586/50]
Posted by grahame at 15:53, 6th October 2026
 
I didn't follow the first link, in case it was another of grahame 's attempts to drum up trade for an ailing tech giant. But the second link is to a four year old Guardian article which is based on something from the Daily Mail!

It's not

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We’re not owned by a billionaire or an ad-tech company. It’s just us, writing silly jokes about our useless overlords, paid for by readers like you. Pick a level below and you get the lot.

Original was obfuscated to - I admit - hide the initial humorous nature of the source. BUT many a true work is spoken in jest and someone in government will be asking "can we tax it?"

On This Day - 6 October 1829 - Rainhill trials of steam engines, in Lancashire
In "Railway History and related topics" [380530/32587/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:52, 6th October 2026
 
The Rainhill trials of the first steam locomotives were held in Lancashire (now Merseyside), from 6 to 14 October 1829.

See Wikipedia for excellent coverage of that historic event.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380529/32456/31]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:42, 6th October 2026
 
By a combination of time, official announcements on the radio, and measured radiation dose rate. In marginal conditions it might be better to sleep/rest in the shelter, but emerge for essential work.

Sounds idylic.  What could go wrong?

Indeed. I can almost hear the "New World" Symphony playing, old maids heading for church as the sun sets and lads riding past on bicycles.

Re: Fears grow that high diesel prices could lead to more cyclists
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [380528/32586/50]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 15:37, 6th October 2026
 
I didn't follow the first link, in case it was another of grahame 's attempts to drum up trade for an ailing tech giant. But the second link is to a four year old Guardian article which is based on something from the Daily Mail!

Re: Rail trespassers warned to 'stay off the tracks' by Network Rail and Police
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380527/30982/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:33, 6th October 2026
 
From the BBC:

Trespass incidents cause almost 10,000 minutes of delays


Trespassers are seen on the tracks at Motspur Park in south-west London in dashcam footage from a train driver's cab - Image © Network Rail

Trespass incidents caused almost 10,000 minutes of delays to South Western Railway (SWR) services for the 2025/26 period.

Data released by Network Rail and British Transport Police (BTP) shows that 9,437 minutes worth of delays were caused, equivalent to about six and a half days.

Across England, trespass, cable theft and obstruction caused more than 3,300 hours of delays during the same period, making it one of the railway's biggest causes of disruption, with a significant impact on customers.

The SWR network had the third-highest rate of vandalism and obstruction across Network Rail's 14 routes, including deliberately placed items such as debris and other pieces of track on the railway.

The rail firm said an additional risk on its network was the fact it uses a third rail as electricity supply.  It carries 750 volts of direct current, which can cause severe or lifechanging injuries, or death.

As part of a new campaign launched by SWR and Network Rail, drones, sensors and smart CCTV are being rolled out to make it easier to catch and prevent trespassers.

The use of drones is a new strategy, which has been trialled at London Waterloo station.  Further drone units have been planned for Clapham Junction, New Malden and Walton-on-Thames.

Tom Desmond, operations director for SWR, said: "Trespass is one of the leading causes of disruption on our network, delaying our customers' journeys and costing taxpayers.  As part of our plan to deliver more reliable journeys, we're working with partners to reduce these types of incidents and improve our response so that we can keep services running."


Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380526/32584/10]
Posted by bobm at 15:13, 6th October 2026
Already liked by IndustryInsider, Mark A, a-driver, Witham Bobby
 
The other thing with two 5 cars coupled is there become a range for formations.  Front five in reverse, rear five not etc. etc.   So far the casual traveller who sat in A last week and found it in the middle of the train, may find it is at the front this week.

Re: 9th October 2026 - TravelWatch SouthWest, Taunton
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [380525/32460/34]
Posted by grahame at 15:06, 6th October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
If anyone's attending who is equipped to sign me up as a member of the WWRUG I'd be grateful.

Mark

Message sent

Fears grow that high diesel prices could lead to more cyclists
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [380524/32586/50]
Posted by grahame at 14:51, 6th October 2026
 
From (here)

People in the UK are terrified today after considering the possibility that high diesel prices could lead to an increase in cyclists.

With diesel prices in the UK rising above £2 a litre for the first time, many in the UK have started to consider the horrifying thought of more people picking up a bike. ...

Worryingly, a significant move from car, bus and train travel by large numbers of the public would be a significant problem for the government and the economy, as there's nothing apart from the basic VAT on the purchase of cycles that generates income for the government in spite of the high cost of provision and maintenance of infrastructure on cycles, and to the NHS for the repair of cyclists damaged on the road.

from The Guardian

Cyclists could be made to have registration plates and insurance

Whitehall review is also said to suggest cycling speed limits, along with licence penalty points and fines

Registration is already required in Japan and North Korea.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380523/32456/31]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:43, 6th October 2026
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
By a combination of time, official announcements on the radio, and measured radiation dose rate. In marginal conditions it might be better to sleep/rest in the shelter, but emerge for essential work.

Sounds idylic.  What could go wrong?

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380522/32584/10]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:38, 6th October 2026
 
Encouragingly, Network Rail has a planning application in earlier this year to lengthen Bath Spa station's platform 1.

*Edit* It received consent in August.

https://www.bathecho.co.uk/news/planning/network-rail-extend-platform-bath-station-117137/

I did hear there were plans in the pipeline, though an extension of 6.5 metres still won't enable all doors to open of course. 

All it will do is give a bit more tolerance where the driver has to be extremely precise at the moment.  And for 10-car units instead of the 1,2,3 and 20th door not opening, it will become doors 1,18,19 and 20 - in other words, it will be the rear vehicle which may contain wheelchair spaces that won't be platformed, rather than the front.

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380521/32584/10]
Posted by a-driver at 14:26, 6th October 2026
 
This is often a risk when a train is in reverse formation.

A train I was on yesterday was bound for Weston-super-Mare but had the first class coaches leading.

There were two parties heading for Yatton in standard class and their seat reservations were in coach B - which would normally be platformed at Yatton (and indeed Nailsea & Backwell) but with the train in reverse they would be off the back.

The train manager spotted it when he checked their tickets and suggested they got out at Temple Meads and walked down the platform to coach G.

I did wonder if it all stemmed from the set being in reverse. If you paid for First Class seats, you’d understandably want to sit in those First Class seats. Being in a wheelchair should not be a barrier to that. In an ideal world, a 10-car train should be fully accommodated at all platforms and no one, staff or passenger, should be put in these sort of situations.

Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [380520/17562/23]
Posted by anthony215 at 14:20, 6th October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Update to this.

Transport for wales , new Taith Cymru coaches service between Carmarthen and Bangor operates by Edwards and lew Jones coaches starts sunday 25th October.

Tickets can now been purchased online which has also allowed us to see the timetable.

From Carmarthen at 0215, 0715 then every 2 hours until last departure at 2115.

From Bangor at 0127, 0515 then a bit of a more.erractic timetable close enough to 2 hourly u til last coach around 1915. Journey time  is 5 hours  although slightly less with some southbound workings.

Free passes are not valid and I found they offering  fares for.adults starting at £10 each way from Carmarthen to Bangor. The coaches actually look very nice inside so well worth a day out. I believe rail tickets say Cardiff to Aberystwyth are going to be valid on it

Re: Bath disabled woman had to 'crawl on hands and knees' to get off GWR train
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [380519/32584/10]
Posted by bobm at 13:49, 6th October 2026
 
This is often a risk when a train is in reverse formation.

A train I was on yesterday was bound for Weston-super-Mare but had the first class coaches leading.

There were two parties heading for Yatton in standard class and their seat reservations were in coach B - which would normally be platformed at Yatton (and indeed Nailsea & Backwell) but with the train in reverse they would be off the back.

The train manager spotted it when he checked their tickets and suggested they got out at Temple Meads and walked down the platform to coach G.

 
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