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8.4.2025 (Tuesday) 05:18 - All running AOK
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Thoughts on person being taken ill near (Trowbridge) Station
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360270/30119/21]
Posted by grahame at 05:16, 8th April 2025
 
From Wiltshire 999

Man airlifted to hospital after Trowbridge railway station incident

South Western Ambulance Service sent two crews to reports of a serious medical emergency at around 7.20am on Sunday (6 April).

Medics provided critical care to a man, who reportedly collapsed at the railway station.

He was stabilised before being put into the air ambulance and flown to Bristol Royal Infirmary for further treatment.

Around a dozen people stopped to watch the helicopter land and take off, many filming the sight on their mobile phones.

This does not "read" as a rail-specific incident to me but rather as someone being taken very ill at a railway station.  There will often be lots of people around at stations, and whilst people are encourage not to travel if they are not well enough todo so, incidents WILL happen

Over time, I have seen advice more from "stop the train with the emergency chord" to "wait for the next station" and indeed I don't thing that there's a direct connection any longer from the "communication chord" to train brakes.  I presume (and I'm sure someone can help me with links)  that there are well tuned plans that come into play where a passenger or other person is taken ill on a train or at or near a station  - and being a cluster spot, planned places for ambulances of the road or air type topics up?

I note that it was the Dorset and Somerset Air Ambulance and not the Wilthshire and Bath one. Covering for each other?

Hoping the person has come through the incident ...

Re: A trip on GWR's Battery Electric Train - 17/12/2024
In "Thames Valley Branches" [360269/29641/13]
Posted by grahame at 04:48, 8th April 2025
 
GWR press release

Special test event provides valuable insight for Great Western Railway’s fast-charge battery trial

A special test event saw 250 volunteers board Great Western Railway’s battery train to help provide valuable insight for its industry-leading trial.

The ‘High Passenger Load’ operation tested energy consumption and will form part of findings to be fed back to the Department for Transport (DfT).

Re: Mum run over trying to get on bus that left early - Nottingham, 22 October 2024
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360268/30118/51]
Posted by froome at 03:08, 8th April 2025
 
That is incredibly sad and tragic.

I am astounded by the "buses are allowed to leave up to one minute early." Is this commonly allowed elsewhere? Is it publicised anywhere visible to the public, such as at a bus stop?

Re: Ticket offices - changes afoot?
In "Fare's Fair" [360267/29965/4]
Posted by grahame at 21:22, 7th April 2025
 
The 'average customer' is only after the cheapest option and probably doesn't understand the full implications of split ticketing, particularly when combined with Advance Tickets.

Agreed, and that's only a part of the story.  bradshaw travelled short to Exeter St Davids on an Exeter St Thomas ticket - perfectly allowed - then on an Exeter St Davis to Truro train that did not stop at St Thomas. I doubt that any split ticket site would offer that.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [360266/29650/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:22, 7th April 2025
 
Radley, unfortunately.

GWR Help advising that there's no bus availability (direct fast service buses are present, take 40 mins DID-OXF, serve station), and alternative offering was *serious suggestion* DID-PAD-MYB (free pass) - OXF - takes almost 3 hours unless fast DID-PAD used.

Called out the "assistant" and suggested that they try it out one day.

Re: Ticket offices - changes afoot?
In "Fare's Fair" [360265/29965/4]
Posted by PhilWakely at 20:02, 7th April 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
As has been pointed out elsewhere, split tickets are widely available via a number of other sources who will work out the best deal for the customer and present them with the options - the need to be "in the know", is limited only to having the knowledge that the opportunity for these savings exists.

The 'average customer' is only after the cheapest option and probably doesn't understand the full implications of split ticketing, particularly when combined with Advance Tickets. How often does a customer turn up early for their train; find out that there is an earlier train headed to their destination; then ask at the ticket office if their tickets are valid for the earlier train - only to find that there is a significant cost for them to do so, because.... a) the earlier train does not stop at one or more of the split ticket destinations; or b) there is an admin cost per ticket to change their Advance ticket(s)

Specific examples of the above are...
0718 Newton Abbot to London Paddington.... Off-Peak and stops everywhere and is overtaken by the
0731 Newton Abbot to London Paddington limited stop Peak service   
and
1054 Newton Abbot to London Paddington limited stop service followed by the
1113 Newton Abbot to London Paddington stopper.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [360264/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:31, 7th April 2025
 
.....will make for some interesting journeys home tonight.....

Alterations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines are closed.

Train services running through these stations will be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:30 07/04.

Customer Advice
As a result of the emergency services dealing with an incident the line between Didcot Parkway and Oxford has been closed to train movements.

The alternative route for GWR ticket holders to use Chiltern Railways services between London Marylebone and Oxford in both directions is no longer a viable option owing to a train failure on that route.

Mum run over trying to get on bus that left early - Nottingham, 22 October 2024
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360263/30118/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:28, 7th April 2025
 
A very sad story, from the BBC:



A mother was run over and killed by a double decker bus she was trying to get on after it left the stop early, an inquest has heard.

Helaleh Cheraghmakani, known as Hailey, banged on the door to be let in before falling down and under the bus in Nottingham city centre on the morning of 22 October, when she was due to start a new job at Boots.

A collision investigator said it was likely the 34-year-old had been caught by the tyre next to the door as the bus turned left at a junction, causing her to fall.

A coroner found the collision was "unavoidable" because it was dark and the driver would not have seen Hailey, but her husband said he intended to "fight for justice" through the civil courts.

Ramin Dehbandi, Hailey's husband, said: "She was a wonderful wife and mother and I loved her with all my heart.  To make the incredibly painful situation even worse, our daughter Liana blames me for her mummy not being there, that I am stopping her from coming back, and calls me Daddy Monster.  She asked me the other day if I would let mummy pick her up one day from nursery and I could not sleep from the sorrow."

Hailey was due to start a new job at Boots in Beeston, Nottinghamshire, the inquest was told.  She was due to start at 06:00 BST, but the inquest at Nottingham Coroner's Court heard she was running late because she had initially been given the wrong start date.

The bus was meant to leave George Street at 06:00, but the driver left 45 seconds early.  The inquest heard this was acceptable within Nottingham City Transport's policies, which allow buses to leave stops up to a minute early.

CCTV footage showed Hailey running down George Street as she tried to catch up with the bus.

The driver, Anthony Watson, had indicated right when he left the bus stop and was still indicating right when he turned left at the junction on to Lower Parliament Street, the inquest heard.  In his statement to police, Mr Watson claimed he had indicated left.  Hailey left the pavement and stepped into the carriageway as she banged the doors.

In his statement, the driver said he had "heard a bang" on the side of the bus but "did not know what what the bang was".  He said he continued to pull out of the junction, but braked when he saw the nearside back wheel going over a person.

The inquest heard Hailey and her husband had been together since they were 18 and were originally from Iran.  They moved to the UK in September 2023, shortly after having their daughter, as they wanted to give her a better future.

In his statement to police, Mr Dehbandi said there were different practices for catching buses in Iran.  "In Iran, if you run for the bus and wave your hands at the bus they often stop; this was common practice," he said.

However, the inquest heard it was against Nottingham City Transport's Conditions of Carriage, external to let passengers on once a bus had left the stop.  Section 34 states: "Once buses have closed their doors and the driver has signalled to pull away, the bus will not be able to let you board because the driver is committed to re-joining the main traffic flow."  Section 28 also states: "For safety reasons, buses will only stop at recognised bus stops to allow passengers to board."

Police investigated but decided it was not a criminal matter, and an inquest was therefore held.

Assistant coroner Nathanael Hartley concluded Hailey died as a result of a road traffic collision.  He found the driver's failure to indicate left did not have an impact on the collision, as Hailey had caught the bus the day before and knew it turned left at the junction.  He found the collision was "unavoidable" due to the lighting conditions at that time of the morning, and the dark clothing Hailey was wearing, meaning the driver would not have seen her.  He said her cause of death was multiple injuries and she died at the scene.

Daniel Denton, a solicitor from Hodge Jones & Allen representing Mr Dehbandi, said: "This is such an unimaginably tragic case that has devastated the lives of my client and his daughter.  Their loving wife and mother were snatched away from them and we need answers as to how this could have been allowed to happen.  We will continue our fight for answers and for justice for Helaleh through the civil courts."



Re: Paddington bear stolen from Newbury in Berkshire, now recovered - March 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [360262/29972/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:53, 7th April 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Vandalised Paddington statue to return



A Paddington statue that was ripped from a bench by two RAF engineers is to be reinstalled.

The homage to the famous bear has been repaired and repainted and will be unveiled during a ceremony in Newbury, Berkshire, on Wednesday.

Part of the statue was removed and taken in the early hours of 2 March by Daniel Heath, from Thornton, near Bradford in West Yorkshire, and William Lawrence, from Enderby, Leicestershire.  The pair, both 22 and based at RAF Odiham in Hampshire, admitted criminal damage and were ordered to carry out unpaid work as well as pay £2,725 to cover the cost of repairs.

The statue was originally unveiled in the hometown of Paddington creator Michael Bond in October 2024.  It was one of dozens put up across the UK as part of the Paddington Visits trail to celebrate the film, Paddington in Peru.

The repaired bear will be unveiled by Ian Batho and Ashley Morris from Newbury Business Improvement District (BID).

Ben Beardmore-Gray, marketing manager at Newbury BID, said: "We have received so many lovely messages from parents who wanted to share how much their children have been missing Paddington... we are delighted to announce that Paddington is finally ready for his much-anticipated return to Newbury.  The reinstallation offers a unique opportunity for us to provide a special moment that parents can share with their children, so we'd like to invite any families along on the day to join us welcoming Paddington home."

As part of the unveiling, children are being encouraged to write a letter welcoming Paddington back to Newbury.  They can be delivered to a special postbox next to his bench between 10:00 and 14:00 BST on Wednesday.

The unveiling ceremony will begin on Northbrook Street at 11:30.



Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360261/30027/21]
Posted by grahame at 17:57, 7th April 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
The slide pack is available from the presentations. Maybe Graham could load them up on a mirror sometime?

Slightly surprised I haven't seen the pack. Could you send me a copy or a link please and I would be happy to mirror

Thank you - and now in the members mirror (not in public) and should be found on searches via
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/12_chat.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/11-BrianLove-NextSteps.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/10-AlexLawrie_Go-op.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/09-DanOkey_GreatWesternRailway.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/08-BrianLove_ConnectedCities.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/07-JonSandford_HomesEngland.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/06-EdLeahy_CreateStreets.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/05-GeoffHobbs_TransportForLondon.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/04-NathanSealey_Amey.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/03-JennyRaggett_TransportForNewHomes.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/02-KevinMcGinley_NRProperty.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/01-BrianLove-GovtPolicy.pdf
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/00-Synposis_and_PressRelease.pdf

Re: Daily Mile - coming to Melksham for April
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360260/30078/50]
Posted by Mark A at 17:32, 7th April 2025
 
Thanks for the bridge photo in particular.

Mark

Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360259/30027/21]
Posted by grahame at 17:27, 7th April 2025
 
Now double posted somehow? I thought there was a check for that?

Perhaps some of the buttons you das poken when looking for the short cut submitted your psot again??   There is a posting rate limiter on the forum but it's not going to pick up two of the same in every circumstance.  Sometimes, rather irritating, something does stop you going back and reposting but I thinks that's in the Javascript and poken buttons may at times sidestep it.

Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360258/30027/21]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:34, 7th April 2025
 
Now double posted somehow? I thought there was a check for that?

Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360257/30027/21]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:33, 7th April 2025
 
Thank you for registering to attend last week's conference. The presentations are now available at https://connectedcities-my.sharepoint.com/:f:/g/personal/admin_connectedcities_org_uk/EmVQhCC6jcNBim0KbKSV2CwBAyOslznH0Nl_7Kvmm2bh4g?e=o8HZsI Videos and transcripts will be available in due course. You will be notified. Kind regards, ConnectedCities Team

On my iphone, safari browser…..appears not to have an ALT key to obtain a preview shortcut. Needs looking into?

Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360256/30027/21]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:33, 7th April 2025
 
Thank you for registering to attend last week's conference. The presentations are now available at https://connectedcities-my.sharepoint.com/:f:/g/personal/admin_connectedcities_org_uk/EmVQhCC6jcNBim0KbKSV2CwBAyOslznH0Nl_7Kvmm2bh4g?e=o8HZsI Videos and transcripts will be available in due course. You will be notified. Kind regards, ConnectedCities Team

On my iphone, safari browser…..appears not to have an ALT key to obtain a preview shortcut. Needs looking into?

Re: Ticket offices - changes afoot?
In "Fare's Fair" [360255/29965/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:09, 7th April 2025
 
My real point, I feel, is that until we have a comprehensive review of ticketing these anomalies will continue to appear to those who have an understanding of the ticketing system.
The move to single leg pricing and perhaps tap-in systems will help to deliver this but will need to get the confidence of the passenger in this. Until that time the ticket office will have a significant role to play.


Given that only between 12-15% of tickets are purchased via ticket offices, and that number is only heading one way, it's fair to say that their significance has already dwindled beyond the point of no return.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, split tickets are widely available via a number of other sources who will work out the best deal for the customer and present them with the options - the need to be "in the know", is limited only to having the knowledge that the opportunity for these savings exists.

No doubt some edge case anomalies will always remain!

Re: Ticket offices - changes afoot?
In "Fare's Fair" [360254/29965/4]
Posted by bradshaw at 15:48, 7th April 2025
 
My real point, I feel, is that until we have a comprehensive review of ticketing these anomalies will continue to appear to those who have an understanding of the ticketing system.
The move to single leg pricing and perhaps tap-in systems will help to deliver this but will need to get the confidence of the passenger in this. Until that time the ticket office will have a significant role to play.
Is this gaming the system? Perhaps but the senior railcard was an obvious choice, especially as we live close to the Devon border and its Day Ranger ticket for days out.
Splitting tickets was my looking at alternatives, without using split ticket websites. Using the SWR website and checking that against the GWR one.
The Senior railcard is not valid wholly within the NSE area, which includes Exeter St Davids until 09.00.
 Exeter St Thomas is beyond that area allowing access to the day return ticket at the lower price. I had thought about doing that but did not get round to it, until the ticket clerk mentioned it.

The irony is that we do not have to be in Penryn until the 13.30 interview thus theoretically could catch the 09.03 from Axminster and arrive at Penryn at 12.58, followed by a quick walk to the campus. That would have cost £20.20 but would have been a risky decision, relying on everything running to time!

Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360253/30027/21]
Posted by grahame at 15:21, 7th April 2025
 
The slide pack is available from the presentations. Maybe Graham could load them up on a mirror sometime?

Slightly surprised I haven't seen the pack. Could you send me a copy or a link please and I would be happy to mirror

Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360252/30027/21]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:05, 7th April 2025
 
The slide pack is available from the presentations. Maybe Graham could load them up on a mirror sometime?

Re: On this day. South Australia's triple decker train experiment.
In "Railway History and related topics" [360251/30090/55]
Posted by ChrisB at 14:13, 7th April 2025
 
Interesting.

I can still see all the images, with *one* exception - the one embedded within CfN’s quote before mine here.

So if CfN can still see that image (i am seeing this

If it doesn’t repeat, it says “Postimage - upgrade to Premium in order to embed images in emails” and no doubt quotes too.

So it is a hosting issue. Best find an alternative?”

Re: Ticket offices - changes afoot?
In "Fare's Fair" [360250/29965/4]
Posted by PhilWakely at 13:36, 7th April 2025
 
<devils mode=advocate>In an accountant's or treasury eyes, of course, it might be seen as a damned good example of why the ticket offices should be closed as this clerk has just cost the train operator / DfT / government nearly £40 in lost revenue, in addition to the salary he drew while advising you.</devils>

So, whilst I agree with the above Devil's Advocate, why are the various ticketing websites that advocate split-ticketing allowed to continue to operate?

Re: Modern English Usage, but not as Fowler might think
In "Introductions and chat" [360249/30111/1]
Posted by stuving at 12:25, 7th April 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
One I've had a few times recently: "We recently got in touch to let you know ...". No you didn't, though you should have done; in fact this is the first message I've had from you on this topic.

Re: Daily Mile - coming to Melksham for April
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360248/30078/50]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:25, 7th April 2025
Already liked by froome
 
That report ought to go to your council rights of way officer. Illegal to top stiles with barbed wire (always carry snippers with you & legally allowed to remove), nor should footpaths be ploughed without some reinstatement to flat & level afterwards. They will be writing to the landowners of each

Re: Daily Mile - coming to Melksham for April
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360247/30078/50]
Posted by grahame at 12:15, 7th April 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Mark A, Kempis, froome
 
From Saturday, 5th April - writing with a transport bias

From Melksham (Western Way) across the floor plain (though crops with lost paths to stiles topped with barbed wire) to the Pack Horse Bridge where that path and other from Whaddon and Semington converge to cross the river


Across the fields having crossed the bridge, again recently ploughed and a bit of a scramble, but now more easily followable


This path crosses the railway - it's not one of the ones I've been asked to comment on, but I really don't think it's going to be reachable by people who are less able bearing in mind the previous picture showing the state of the path


A slight pause awaiting the train and marvelling at how far forward we have come with the service over the years.


An so on across more fields and a stream to Broughton Gifford where I picked up the bus that runs three time on Saturday via Bradford-on-Avon to Trowbridge.  I spoke with another couple of seniors in the church yard and they were amazed that I had walked "All the way from Melksham"; the asked, worried, how I was going to get back.   It seems that although they are residents of Broughton Gifford, they had no real knowledge of the bus there and wouldn't have thought of using it, let alone knowing when and where it went.  It shows just what a big job remains to be done to make people aware of the public transport we have.

Re: Ticket offices - changes afoot?
In "Fare's Fair" [360246/29965/4]
Posted by grahame at 11:54, 7th April 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, PhilWakely
 
Accompanying grandson to Penryn,by train from Axminster at 07.37, on Wednesday where he has a university interview. Researched the fares and found the return would be £67.30.

Deciding to get the tickets in advance from [snip] station, rather than online, turned out to be a good decision. The ticket office clerk advised me ...

My journey will now cost me just £28.80.
This exemplifies the need for ticket reform and the retention of ticket offices.

Mods if you feel this should be posted elsewhere please do so.

<devils mode=advocate>In an accountant's or treasury eyes, of course, it might be seen as a damned good example of why the ticket offices should be closed as this clerk has just cost the train operator / DfT / government nearly £40 in lost revenue, in addition to the salary he drew while advising you.</devils>

Re: Modern English Usage, but not as Fowler might think
In "Introductions and chat" [360245/30111/1]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:51, 7th April 2025
 
“For your security” = “For our security actually, no chance of you accessing this”

Re: Modern English Usage, but not as Fowler might think
In "Introductions and chat" [360244/30111/1]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:18, 7th April 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, JayMac
 
"For your comfort and convenience ..."

we have removed something that you found to be really useful, or even essential, to save us a few bob

Re: Ticket offices - changes afoot?
In "Fare's Fair" [360243/29965/4]
Posted by bradshaw at 09:02, 7th April 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Worcester_Passenger, PrestburyRoad, Western Pathfinder, johnneyw, Mark A, GBM, chuffed, PhilWakely, Timmer, eXPassenger, Kempis
 
Accompanying grandson to Penryn,by train from Axminster at 07.37, on Wednesday where he has a university interview. Researched the fares and found the return would be £67.30. Thus decided to renew the Senior Railcard, thus reducing the fare to £44.80.
I then looked at splitting the tickets at Exeter. The anytime return fare, with railcard, to Exeter St Davids  was  £15.20, from Exeter St Davids to Penryn came in as an off peak day return at 18.70, a total of £33.90.
Deciding to get the tickets in advance from Axminster station, rather than online, turned out to be a good decision. The ticket office clerk advised me to book Axminster to Exeter St Thomas, as it was out of the SWR area, for a day return ticket. This cost £10.10.
My journey will now cost me just £28.80.
This exemplifies the need for ticket reform and the retention of ticket offices.

Mods if you feel this should be posted elsewhere please do so.

Re: How do I reserve a seat on a Cross Country train with an Interrail pass?
In "Cross Country services" [360242/30113/43]
Posted by ray951 at 08:34, 7th April 2025
Already liked by grahame, Mark A, froome
 
On CrossCountry, I think not? 

You should try it, I booked a seat on the 07:23 Southampton Airport to Oxford Cross-Country service and I also booked a seat on the 08:41 Edinburgh (EDB) to Glasgow Queen Street, so it isn't just GWR services and you don't have to buy a ticket at the same time.

The steps to reserve a seat are as follows:
1) Select 'Online Booking' option from https://www.gwr.com/your-tickets/seat-reservations
2) Login to your account.
3) Go to Bookings - View Bookings
4) Select Make a seat/bike reservation.
5) Enter the details of the service you wish to book seats on
6) When it asks you for ticket type you can select any type.
7) Confirm booking
You have reserved a seat.
And the service is free.

Re: Nailsea & Backwell station - stairway to platform 2
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360241/30064/21]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 08:25, 7th April 2025
Already liked by Mark A, johnneyw, chuffed, Kempis
 
Never underestimate the power of the red squirrel. Delapsus resurgam.

 
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